VIX trade for 8/18 exp

Discussion in 'Options' started by atticus, Aug 10, 2011.

  1. Long the VIX Aug 30/40/50 fly from 2.60. I am in from a 2.60 risk. Worth 5.00 by Monday's close. This can be traded to 10% of your portfolio.
     
  2. Here's the mkt in the natural. It was 2.50 mid a second ago. I own both, but would work the iron over the natural.

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  3. Typo in thread title. Ops go OTB on the 16th.
     
  4. 2.60 mid.... better grab it while it's available under 3 handles.
     
  5. Currently 3.40 mid.
     
  6. I was wondering why you thought a butterfly was better when the upper callspread was only $1. I like the idea. I bought the August 30 calls.
     
  7. Two factors in opposition. The convergence and a likely quick-drop in the vol-line if we muster any counter-trend rally in SPX. There is more to it, but I have a forecast of 37 on spot at expiration, so felt confident in the fly, even on the flip in delta made palatable by the 900bp discount.

    I would be very careful in calls here. You may want to vert or fly it off.
     
  8. I see. I actually saw it differently (for my specific needs).

    I saw the calls as a cheap hedge to my upside SPX call delta that I am long. I figure that if we sell off to 1000 from here, I will lose about 3% on my calls less spot-vol correlation effects and these calls should triple in value. This is roughly equal.

    If we rip and VIX settles below 30 I will lose the calls, but make 3%+ on my call delta less the spot-vol correlation and gamma. The 3% is higher than the amount I spent on the VIX options.

    If we muddle along for the next few days, the calls will "drift" to something (hopefully 40+) and my SPX calls will do nothing.

    So it seems like a good hedge for the next few days.

    Why specifically the 30 line (it was more or less random and because you suggested it)

    edit - clarification points: I paid in premium for the VIX options about 1% of my delta. In the downside scenario I figured the VIX would go to 50 (which is a number I honestly made up).
     
  9. Out half at 3.30.
     
  10. If it is going to 5, what made you sell at 3.30 ?.
     
    #10     Aug 11, 2011