VIX ETF/Futures/Options Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Options' started by mahras2, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. garachen

    garachen

    Seriously, those days were sweet! But so binary, could either make 50K in 2 seconds or wait overnight with like 300 cal spreads and try to hedge with ... something. Nail-biting.

    The real glory days of vix were in 2006-2007. Market orders blowing through the book like clockwork.

    It should be changing to a 24 hours schedule about a year from now. Maybe then we will get new interesting things.
     
    #61     Feb 9, 2012
  2. yep, i was getting in there in 2007 (2008 i went full time..what a ride, lol), agreed to that and rally post on EOD stuff too. gotta keep on evolving the models i guess.

    btw, through ib spread trader there is no market depth.
     
    #62     Feb 9, 2012
  3. sle

    sle

    Even more recent, it was a great time to trade var>vix futures... magical trade, too :)
     
    #63     Feb 9, 2012
  4. garachen

    garachen

    And super recent were the first few days of VXEM when Barclay's algo was... interesting.

    I had some slight hope for these new security futures coming out but with the decision to change to $100 multiplier I now have no hope. It would have been much more encouraging to see them open with maybe a 2 tick spread. At 4 ticks - $200 it's pretty untradeable when they are quoting more or less accurately. Even if they just quoted the front month tighter... I guess I can't complain too much since I didn't apply to be the market maker.

    My most recent excitement is those interest rate futures on Bovespa. So many weird quirks.
     
    #64     Feb 9, 2012

  5. ""My most recent excitement is those interest rate futures on Bovespa. So many weird quirks.""

    May I/we hear more please. Sounds interesting.

    GG
     
    #65     Feb 11, 2012
  6. J-Law

    J-Law

    Hey guys, product question...
    I understand that the VX futures underlying is option pricing based. What does that
    mean for short gamma risk if your selling The futures on a vol sell off? Is is mitigated or is it just buried in the product somewhere?

    Thanks
     
    #66     Feb 11, 2012
  7. VIX goes up very fast - more than linearly - when SPX goes down. It is related to (risk neutral) skew going up in the option mkt when things flare up. If this is what you means by gamma risk in short selling VIX related products, you might need to hedge the tail risks.

    njrookie
     
    #67     Feb 11, 2012
  8. sle

    sle

    Sorry, what exactly do you mean by "skew going up"?
     
    #68     Feb 13, 2012
  9. slope of IV goes up for OTM puts.
     
    #69     Feb 13, 2012
  10. Not always the case in a steep drop. Often the 20D/ATM slope goes down.
     
    #70     Feb 13, 2012