VIX ETF/Futures/Options Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Options' started by mahras2, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. It is more like selling a strangle, I think, not buying.
     
    #91     Mar 16, 2012
  2. for any of you guys new to this april futures are 7.13 premium to spot and it will converge even with a spot vix spike to 18-19 if you hang in there. through options i'd pick short april calls, long may if you wanted to play it. there is a demand right now for april due to the etn's etc so i'm sure there's time too..and there's never a sure thing..but that one is good.
     
    #92     Mar 16, 2012
  3. The options play is simply incrementally long the switch.
     
    #93     Mar 16, 2012
  4. i know, lol

    i'm not even in that but i'd hate to get a guy trying these in futures as a starting point.
     
    #94     Mar 16, 2012
  5. Yeah, it's really awesome of you to hand these mooks 600bp in edge to expiration. Nice. F*cking diarrhea mouth.
     
    #95     Mar 16, 2012
  6. i found God
     
    #96     Mar 16, 2012
  7. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Depends on the ratio of spx delta to the vix. That's always a tricky thing and hard to guage. They will definitely hedge, but to what extent is almost completely unkown except it will be something greater than zero.
     
    #97     Mar 17, 2012
  8. Not expecting perfection. When I thought about it, I figured the logic here was that to get back to 23 - which spot has only had one or two brushes with since the year started - would take a sharp decline in the indices. I understand that VIX can fluctuate around in a manner uncorrelated with the indices within a certain range, but by now we're looking at a 50% + spike, and I can't see that happening without a nice decline in SPX, and of course SPY.
     
    #98     Mar 17, 2012
  9. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Yeah. So the SPY declines 10%, where will the VIX be then? Probably 30+ and implieds on the VIX gone through the roof. So your call will be worth a lot more than $7. How much SPY put do you need to buy for that? And then how does that hedge work if the SPX sells off only 5%? And how well does that work if the SPX rallies 3%?

    It's a linear hedge against a convex risk. Very difficult to manage - at least in my experience.
     
    #99     Mar 17, 2012
  10. I used to do something similar on a monthly basis for years and it works very nicely though you might wanna go a little farther out on your gamma hedge. If you know how to properly model the var exposure you can easily hedge with cheap otm gamma, provided you don't go unbound on risk. Also, given that the current term structure is more of an outlier than the norm it is not a perfect data point for an experiment unless you weigh it.
     
    #100     Mar 17, 2012