Virtu Celebrates Another Year Without a Single Day of Losses

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Optionpro007, Feb 20, 2015.

  1. Madoff had a lot of employees too. But it was an empty box. Sometimes expenses are necessary to fool people.
    I was sarcastic about MA but I don't believe they have a sophisticated model. Their profit margin is so small that the smallest change can put them in heavy losses. Trading is buying and selling like any business. Profit margin is the most important ratio in business, not turn around. The final goal is to make as much money as possible. 36$ profit for a trade with a value of probably thousands of dollars per trade gives a profit microscopic small margin.
     
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    #11     Feb 22, 2015
  2. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    5.3MM trades/day. 190MM net income and 750MMish in revenues. the 750MM is their trading pnl. They spent 550MM on technology, general and administration, and compensation.
     
    #12     Feb 22, 2015
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  3. d08

    d08

    HFT always has small margins but the law of large numbers means you also get a very smooth curve. They have a large number of strategies and therefore the smallest change might kill a strategy or two but won't kill their business model. Their profit margin is quite high as I seriously doubt they have much equity, it's not needed for HFT.
     
    #13     Feb 22, 2015
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  4. VPhantom

    VPhantom

    I'm surprised by that bit. Don't they need massive amounts of capital to be able to trade into every opportunity they find? Stocks for example don't offer a lot of leverage.
     
    #14     Feb 22, 2015
  5. heypa

    heypa

    Require them to pay retail commissions with retail available margin and ........
     
    #15     Feb 22, 2015
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  6. d08

    d08

    Their holding time is very brief, freeing up the capital quickly. As opposed to longer term funds which are in several deals all at once.
     
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    #16     Feb 22, 2015
  7. VPhantom

    VPhantom

    Yes but we're talking about opportunities in presumably thousands of instruments in parallel, and I doubt this is always limited to small lots.
     
    #17     Feb 23, 2015
  8. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Financials from 2013 state they had about 500MM in equity and a balance sheet of about 2.5Bn in assets. As a designated market maker and as a registered broker dealer they can get away with MUCH lower capital and margin requirements than retail traders or institutional customers .
     
    #18     Feb 23, 2015
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  9. VPhantom

    VPhantom

    I hadn't thought of that part, thinking "portfolio margin" was as leveraged as it could get. Thank you for clarifying!
     
    #19     Feb 23, 2015
  10. they became serious player after hiring this guy,

    https://www.linkedin.com/pub/rosen-kralev/9/7b7/b24

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    #20     Apr 7, 2015