What a stupid thing to say. Deny current science?lol......you don't even understand it enough to deny or accept. Nobody is saying the cosmological constants or physical constants ARE tuned except a bunch of usual God botherers. Furthermore, the Standard Model is found wanting when the cosmological constant is included. sheeesh at least learn to understand the basics.
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Your understanding is Multiverse answers appearances of fine tuning. Well duh. Why the hell you started a thread to contradict yourself should be your next understanding.
through all your troll fits... you have really advanced quite far... for the guy who used to deny the appearance of fine tuning and state that Susskind would never say God could be one of the reasons for the tuning. now just one correction... the speculation of a Multiverse would answer the appearance of fine tuning...
Only 2 lies - one sentence. You're slipping. Yay.... capitulation. Glad I could help you eventually grasp the blindingly obvious. Still not sure you understand what you did though. Oh my, one thing you can do so well straight off the bat is that self analysis projection stuff.
I have said a thousand times... the top scientists say that our universe appears to be fine tuned and that one explanation for the fine tuning is God and another is a multiverse. you are are the one who has now capitulated.
Right, so when you said a thousand times "That is extreme fine tuning." of the universe, you thought you were saying the universe appears to be fine tuned. Sure, that figures. pfft. Truth being, trying to slot your god into everything, you're a thousand times vague, imprecise , misleading and dishonest in order to push the deceit. Fine tuning has always been a speculation. Bang again goes the argument you never had which you thought warranted starting a thread. You hear Susskind mention the word god so you get all giddy but don't hear him assign it with accident and who knows at the same time. Quite honestly all you've shown is how you'll say any bullshit thing.
when you search on jem and the word appears... you see 15 pages of posts... almost all on this subject. If the scientists posit there is a multiverse... of course they use the word appears. once again you display the logic of a troll. i have already educated you on the fact... susskind and penrose and other top scientists use the words extreme, spectacular, incredible fine tuning for the fine tuning of our universe. I frequently provide you their exact quotes. Think of how stupid you are acting. Do you deny that our universe is fine tuned for our existence. Do you even understand the standard model?
You can't even provide my exact quotes, nevermind Susskind's Penrose's and others. Scientists say appears fine tuned. You say IS fine tuned. Adding superlatives like extreme, spectacular, incredible doesnât change that fact, nor that you are just being dishonest about the whole subject. In this day and age, only someone acting like an idiot would claim the universe "IS fine tuned for our existence." Do YOU deny one of your chosen authorities when he says "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. .....It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going." Do YOU even understand The Standard Model is not a Ford?
why would I deny Hawkings quote... he supports what I have been telling you. when you read it in context. he says that our universe appears fine tuned as if by an outside agency... but, that if you speculate we have almost infinite universes and or that the the string landscape is populated with universes with alternate histories you could say gravity shaped the universe we are in via top down cosmology. I agree with hawking too. You see you either have a finely tuned universe or you have to posit a almost infinite chances at making our universe. " If there is only one universe British cosmologist Bernard Carr says, âyou might have to have a fine-tuner. If you donât want God, youâd better have a multiverse.â (Discover, December 2008)