Victor Niederhoffer--- Rare Silver Auction Catalog

Discussion in 'Trading' started by marketsurfer, Dec 17, 2007.



  1. i have not been keyed into the option business for several years and am far from an expert---however, it seems that 3 margin requirement increases in the given time frame were the most in history---no one is suggestion the margins were increased to "get VN--- however this rapid increase was one of the unforseeable factors converging that may have played a role on that fateful day....

    surf
     
    #151     Dec 24, 2007
  2. cheats on his wife...

    lies to Baron...

    not in character?

    can lying to and cheating investors be so hard to believe? :confused:
     
    #152     Dec 24, 2007
  3. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Because of time. Being short of puts the timedecay is your friend. Being long of futures the cost of carry is your enemy. The market can go 3 ways; up, down and sideways, when you sell options 2 of them are winners for you.

    For Surf, nice guys lie too. I happen to know a decent guy who keeps lying about his futures rollover in his Journal.

    As a said, nice guys lie too. Happens all the time.... :)
     
    #153     Dec 24, 2007
  4. taowave

    taowave

    Pekelo,you know much better than that..You dont sell a 65% of spot with 1.5 years till expiration for time decay.Thats absurd.
     
    #154     Dec 24, 2007
  5. remember, you guys are not just talking about VN who has far more experience, education, resources and capital than most here--- you are talking about his entire team of highly skilled market experts---- it's bizare to me that you would take the word of anonymous internet poseurs as to what happened and why as gospel truth.

    surf
     
    #155     Dec 24, 2007
  6. Icarus5

    Icarus5

    LOL, you guys should all have a drink and chill.

    It is that season after all.

    I
     
    #156     Dec 24, 2007
  7. taowave

    taowave

    Surf,I am only interested in this as I have often wondered how some of these funds acheive the type of returns they do without blowing up.I like to look at things in a non leveraged universe,just to compare apples to apples.

    This little give and take has been enlightening,and unfortunately we do not know if Vic was really short 15,000 puts.From listening to you,it would not be suprising as you stated Vic's insatiable appetite to be number 1.

    Thanks for not gong postal on me

    Best Wishes

    Tao
     
    #157     Dec 24, 2007

  8. You flat-out refuted [sans proof] Pabst's assertions regarding Vic's most recent troubles and you were dead-wrong. What does that make you?
     
    #158     Dec 24, 2007
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    YOUNG MAN
    That's a Los Angeles Chamber of
    Commerce Business Achiever award,
    which is given--not necessarily given
    every year! Given only when there's
    a worthy, somebody especially--

    DUDE
    Hey, is this him with Nancy?

    YOUNG MAN
    That is indeed Mr. Lebowski with the
    first lady, yes, taken when--

    DUDE
    Lebowski on the right?

    YOUNG MAN
    Of course, Mr. Lebowski on the right,
    Mrs. Reagan on the left, taken when--

    DUDE
    He's handicapped, huh?

    YOUNG MAN
    Mr. Lebowski is disabled, yes. And
    this picture was taken when Mrs.
    Reagan was first lady of the nation,
    yes, yes? Not of California.

    DUDE
    Far out.

    YOUNG MAN
    And in fact he met privately with
    the President, though unfortunately
    there wasn't time for a photo
    opportunity.

    DUDE
    Nancy's pretty good.

    YOUNG MAN
    Wonderful woman. We were very--

    DUDE
    Are these.

    YOUNG MAN
    These are Mr. Lebowski's children,
    so to speak--

    DUDE
    Different mothers, huh?

    YOUNG MAN
    No, they--

    DUDE
    I guess he's pretty, uh, racially
    pretty cool--

    YOUNG MAN
    They're not his, heh-heh, they're
    not literally his children; they're
    the Little Lebowski Urban Achievers,
    inner-city children of promise but
    without the--


    http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/b/big-lebowski-script-screenplay.html
     
    #159     Dec 24, 2007


  10. thanks, tao. i don't know VN's positions for certain, just trying to present another side to all this viterole and schadenfreude.

    thought you might get a kick out of this old tag of mine:

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    #160     Dec 24, 2007