Vertical Spreads for Aggressive Growth

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Cache Landing, Jan 27, 2006.

  1. blk

    blk

    I used to be paper trading double diagonals on those - selling the weeklies and buying the regular options in March-Apr. It worked quite well (since the volatility was low) - but then since May, we all know what happened.

    The 5 limited strikes doesnt allow for many adjustments. A sharp move can make all the strikes ITM or OTM with nowhere to adjust. I guess its the chicken and egg story - CBOE wont add additional strikes to this test product unless more volume comes in. More volume wont come in unless there are more strikes :(

    May need to find new ways to fiddle with them...
     
    #1081     Sep 19, 2006
  2. Crucis

    Crucis

    I did a couple of times last Spring and was successful. The stress level, however, can be extremely high. If you can predict the trend, you can make money. Making the correct prediction, however, isn't easy. Some cases, you'd be better off flipping a coin. :(
     
    #1082     Sep 19, 2006

  3. You may wish to review this thread for ideas and thoughts on weeklies.

    The problem is the high gamma in these short term options + CBOE listed only = wide b/a spreads.

    Also, this post for musings on b/a spreads in expiration week. Weeklies are of course always in expiration week.

    Prosperous trading :)

    MoMoney.
     
    #1083     Sep 19, 2006
  4. I'm going to have to agree with mo's post on the linked thread. These things are very risky as theta positions. They are pure gamma and as such should be considered only for gamma strats or hedges.

    It seems that if you have good legging ability, there might be some decent gamma scalping possibilities. I'm not really into DN gamma scalping, so I'll leave that to someone else.
     
    #1084     Sep 19, 2006
  5. weeklies have football field wide spreads (even more so than SPX regular in my opinion) and limited strike selections.

    As was said above, SPX weeklies are for homerun bets on direction.
     
    #1085     Sep 19, 2006
  6. Today's Action

    STO 5 OCT VLO 47.5/50 p @ 1.00

    Year to Date P/L

    Account Value: $15,660.00

    YTD Gross P/L: 6,395.00

    YTD Commiss: 735.00

    YTD Net P/L: 5,660.00

    YTD % P/L: 56.6%
     
    #1086     Sep 19, 2006
  7. ryank

    ryank

    I'm an idiot! I accidently put in an order for Sep end of month options instead of Oct regular options and I got filled :mad:. Nice boneheaded move :(. Of course the trade instantly went against me soon after. I did the trade earlier this morning and just discovered it, %$#$%#@!!!
     
    #1087     Sep 19, 2006
  8. Crucis

    Crucis

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that. I feel for ya.

    Been there, done that, did not get the t-shirt! :D

    Cru
     
    #1088     Sep 19, 2006
  9. ryank

    ryank

    I was on the phone earlier with ToS about a different trade this afternoon. After we got it all settled he asked if there was anything else he could do, I said yes, please undue my bonehead trade. He laughed and said we all do that every now and then. I couldn't get my trade busted like RichardRimes did recently. Maybe I need to trade more to become a more valuable client :D.
     
    #1089     Sep 19, 2006
  10. Crucis

    Crucis

    You see the announcement about the ToS merger? ToS is merging with InvesTools. I'd retained my InvesTools account simply because it has the best research tools that I've found. They've a new spread scanner that is better than the ToS version, IMO.

    Course, I'm still new to ToS. :D
     
    #1090     Sep 19, 2006