Van K. Tharp's Random Entry System

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Remiraz, Oct 19, 2003.

  1. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    All this sounds good in theory, but anyone putting it into practice is asking for trouble. Unless, of course, he increases his size after every loss and prays real hard.
     
    #31     Oct 20, 2003
  2. i should clarify...these are discretionary traders...not "system" just lightning fast and don't freeze up with losers.....
     
    #32     Oct 20, 2003
  3. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Doesn't matter. If there's no regard for system or entry, you have to increase your size in order to work yourself out of the hole.
     
    #33     Oct 20, 2003
  4. I understand most traders would do that....these did not.....the fact that they were able to pull the trigger so fast accounted for the 50-50 win loss rate.....the fact that they could identify a powerful trend EARLY....and PRESS it for the majority of the move made them their money.

    I AM NOT RECOMMENDING IT....but I also know alot of traders who have a 75 to 80% win rate to be losers....

    just making a comment :)
     
    #34     Oct 20, 2003
  5. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    However, if whatever they're doing hinges upon the identification of a "powerful trend", then they're not making random entries.
     
    #35     Oct 20, 2003
  6. Actually the key is position sizing.....also an area of interest to Tharp.....these great traders that I am talking about...they know how to leg in with greater size in the winners.....also the losers tell them something.....they are messingers, loss leaders, ammunition in the war.
     
    #36     Oct 20, 2003
  7. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    The problem is that you don't know whether or not they're winners when you enter the trade. And without some sort of strategy that has a probability of a greater number of winning trades than losing trades, you will sink further and further into the hole.
     
    #37     Oct 20, 2003
  8. db come on you cant argue this stuff. there's profitable traders with win % > 50 and profitable traders with win % <= 50. It's like Walther arguing there's no MA crossover system that shows a profit.
     
    #38     Oct 20, 2003
  9. I appreciate what you are saying...but I am talking about traders who operate on a different level. They have respect for and know how to leg into size......a loss on 200shares might tell them to go the other way with 1000sh.. Great treaders learn to interpret market action by how there "marker positions" react...I am talking about guys who use 200 shares to "feel" the market and then leg into 5 or 10k shares.....the P&L tells them what is hot and what is not......
     
    #39     Oct 20, 2003
  10. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    I'm sure there are. But they aren't doing it with random entry and they aren't doing it by betting the same percentage of their equity on each trade.
     
    #40     Oct 20, 2003