Vaccinated Need To Stay Home - Likely Dangerous Variant Factories

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Jul 31, 2021.

  1. easymon1

    easymon1

    Naa, just the entire world is shut down, no end in sight. no biggie.
    The Government of the United States is Totally Dysfunctional when we need them most, no problemo. Orange man bad, Mang!

    Good thing Foucher Funds Gain of Function Research!
    More Bioweapons are sorely needed too, right? Tripple that budget. Check.

    Ya Just Can't Be Too Safe These Days.

    Long Popcorn and Toe Tags.
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    Nothing to see here, pleeze disperse, six feet, move along...

     
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    #51     Aug 3, 2021
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Great article about effectiveness of the vaccine (which is very effective at preventing severe COVID, but not at getting COVID and being symptomatic).

     
    #52     Aug 3, 2021
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  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

     
    #53     Aug 3, 2021
  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    The Power Grab by The Marxists/Statists/Leftists continues unabated and unchecked.
     
    #54     Aug 3, 2021
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  5. jem

    jem

    this is from the Ivor Cummins link.... thanks...


    as we can all see in the data... we can begin to ask the questions.....
    and make new statements about the risk reward scenario....

    I have been saying this... to the vaccine nazis... about healthy kids...


    "Concerning children, since covid remains mostly asymptomatic or mild in them anyway, and since vaccination cannot prevent infection and infectiousness, the vaccination of children and even of young low-risk adults becomes increasingly difficult to justify, especially given the very real vaccine-associated cardiovascular risks to them (e.g. teen myocarditis and cerebral blood clots)."




    https://swprs.org/covid-vaccines-the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/

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    Thus, vaccine protection even against severe disease will likely further decrease due to new variants, or, in the very worst case, will turn into antibody-dependent disease enhancement (ADE), if high levels of non-neutralizing antibodies aggravate the infection. Indeed, this is what happened in the case of vaccines against SARS-1 and dengue fever.

    To prevent such a decrease in protection against severe disease, or to restore short-term protection against infection and mild disease, updated “booster shots” will likely become necessary. (Update: On July 29, Israel announced “booster shots” for people over 60 years of age.)

    However, there is a very real risk that additional vaccinations, which inject or induce the coronavirus spike protein, could substantially increase the risk of serious cardiovascular and neurological adverse events, such as strokes, GBS and heart muscle inflammation. Globally, covid vaccines may already have killed tens of thousands of people. Alternatives include safer oral vaccine candidates or medically supervised, low-dose oral live virus challenges in low-risk people.

    Furthermore, the millions of people who were told that vaccination will protect them against a coronavirus infection will soon have to realize (once again) that this is not the case: instead, most of them will get infected anyway. On the positive side, this may actually provide additional mucosal immunity to large parts of the population while being mostly protected against severe disease.

    Indeed, data from Israel as well as recent studies all indicate that a previous coronavirus infection continues to offer the best protection against future infections and disease.

    In contrast, vaccination cannot achieve “sterile immunity” against infection and infectiousness. Thus, the whole idea of “vaccination certificates” has become obsolete – at least from a medical and epidemiological perspective – and should be rejected: the claim that it’s just “the unvaccinated” that are driving outbreaks – a claim made by many authorities – is simply false.

    For instance, just this week a “fully vaccinated” Australian managed to pre-symptomatically infect about 60 people at a party in the United States. Many similar stories have already been reported in Europe and Israel: fully vaccinated people can easily transmit the virus even to large groups. Hence, imposing “vaccination certificates” or “green passes” may only serve a political purpose.

    (Update: New data from Israel shows that “only 20%” of fully vaccinated people have infected others in public spaces. While authorities claim that this is a success, in reality, it is not any different from unvaccinated people, thus confirming zero effectiveness against infection and transmission.)

    In many countries, mass vaccination campaigns have themselves triggered large coronavirus outbreaks (“post-first dose spike”), possibly due to a combination of vaccine-induced temporary immune suppression and infections at large indoor vaccination centers visited by thousands of people. The vaccine-induced temporary immune suppression may also explain the frequently observed post-vaccination appearance of shingles (i.e. herpes zoster reactivation).

    Concerning children, since covid remains mostly asymptomatic or mild in them anyway, and since vaccination cannot prevent infection and infectiousness, the vaccination of children and even of young low-risk adults becomes increasingly difficult to justify, especially given the very real vaccine-associated cardiovascular risks to them (e.g. teen myocarditis and cerebral blood clots).

    A look at covid data in places like Israel, the UK and Portugal – which were first in Europe to experience the Delta variant summer wave – confirms that, while infections have skyrocketed, hospitalizations have remained rather low and deaths have remained very low so far (see charts below). In contrast, in countries with a low vaccination rate – such as India, Russia, as well as many Asian and African countries, Delta covid deaths have reached all-time record levels (see below).

    In conclusion, and as argued previously, vaccine protection against infection and “mild disease” has pretty much collapsed, whereas protection against severe disease and death remains at a reasonable level, with the partial exception of the most senior citizens and especially nursing home residents, some of whom have never mounted a neutralizing antibody response to the vaccine. Moreover, future coronavirus variants will likely achieve additional immune evasion.

    Given the current situation and outlook, it may once again be emphasized that research and implementation of early treatment options for high-risk patients – especially anti-viral, anti-inflammatory (immuno-modulatory) and anti-thrombotic treatment – should be a top priority.
     
    #55     Aug 3, 2021
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  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Seeing that the risk of myocarditis and cerebral blood clots is much higher from COVID-19 itself -- then people need to have the risk trade-offs properly explained to them.


    Risk of acute myocardial infarction and ischaemic stroke following COVID-19 in Sweden: a self-controlled case series and matched cohort study
    https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736(21)00896-5

    Interpretation: Our findings suggest that COVID-19 is a risk factor for acute myocardial infarction and ischaemic stroke. This indicates that acute myocardial infarction and ischaemic stroke represent a part of the clinical picture of COVID-19, and highlights the need for vaccination against COVID-19.
     
    #56     Aug 3, 2021
  7. jem

    jem

    and you are too dense to understand... that the data is beginning to show that we are going to keep having to risk shots....
    so the risk reward is changing... as we get more data... as I said.


    you are manifestly a low thinking moron who can not think in systems... ...
    and you are dangerously binary in your statements and your almost daily misrepresentations about the data... plus your outright lies.


     
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    #57     Aug 3, 2021
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  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Let's see how Sweden is approaching the risk from shots after reviewing this study performed in their country...


    Sweden plans to offer majority COVID booster shots in 2022
    https://whbl.com/2021/08/03/sweden-plans-to-offer-majority-covid-booster-shots-in-2022/
     
    #58     Aug 3, 2021
  9. jem

    jem

    #59     Aug 3, 2021
  10. easymon1

    easymon1

    That Foucher Feller Pipes Up Again, LOL!

    Fauci Superspreader-Summer Redux: Biker Rally Bad But Obama's Bash & Open Borders No Problem?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...rally-bad-obamas-bash-open-borders-no-problem

    Barack Obama.
    The man knows how to throw a bash!

    Move Along Foucher. Ain't Nobody GOT covid Up In Here.
    You Got No Business At MY Bash, LOL.
    Go back to whatever the hell we pay you to act like you do.
    You Leave the Celebratin to us. Unnastan Son?

    Into third day - Obama's 60th celebrations roll into third day with a birthday brunch ...

    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...o-shabby-500k-to-500-mil.360794/#post-5435790
     
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    #60     Aug 10, 2021