Using Options To Protect a Large Portfolio

Discussion in 'Options' started by LaxFan, Dec 25, 2019.

  1. taowave

    taowave

    Right now the 300 put (94% spot put)trades for 4%..With a 3% pullback and vol unchanged,you could collect 5%..You really want to be short 1 year vol to make 5%???

    Not being a jack ass,but there are much better ways to make 5% with alot less risk



     
    #21     Dec 25, 2019
  2. insele

    insele

    You're off to a good start! You're already in "insurance" mode. What you need to do now is transition into entry mode. I have no idea what level or type of investor you are, but it is normal to be hesitant - just know that you are historically better off being in the market steadily than in and out of it trying to time peaks and troughs. Find good ideas wherever you can, do your own homework, then pick three or four of the stocks or bonds or ETFs you're certain in your gut you'd like to own someday. At your portfolio size I would be shooting for ~$10K positions. Learn about selling puts - it is a simple process - don't let all of the details scare you off the path - it is also a safe, conservative process when managed responsibly. Call your broker, tell them what you're trying to do, and start selling puts on the things you want to own. You'll get paid and those puts will either expire with you banking the money and selling more, or they will be assigned and you'll get into positions you wanted to be in anyway at a lower cost. The hardest part (and it really won't be that hard when you look back on it) is selling those first puts. Your own investing style will evolve from there ... good luck and have fun with it!
     
    #22     Dec 25, 2019
  3. LaxFan

    LaxFan

    Why purchase deep in the money calls?
     
    #23     Dec 25, 2019
  4. LaxFan

    LaxFan

    I have dabbled in cash-secured puts occasionally. Not cleared for naked puts, nor do I have or use margin.
     
    #24     Dec 25, 2019
  5. LaxFan

    LaxFan

    Yes, great point! I've read about stocks and investing since I was in high school. The people at my workplace know nothing about investing. Anytime investing, stocks, economics, or retirement plans are brought up, I will offer some elementary knowledge (such as "What is a Roth IRA? or "What are capital gains?") They only know the market has been going up. They think I'm some expert, but it's really basic investing knowledge. Yet their investments likely have done much better than mine--so then I have these feelings of failure and regret.
     
    #25     Dec 25, 2019
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  6. LaxFan

    LaxFan

    Thanks, I have dabbled some with cash secured puts, but nothing crazy risky.
     
    #26     Dec 25, 2019
  7. destriero

    destriero

    Buy bear risk-reversals in single name to avoid the index skew. You can trade them as verts to limit the haircut. There are a million structures.
     
    #27     Dec 26, 2019
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  8. guru

    guru


    My answer wasn't for someone trying to trade. Most people don't know about trading and buy real estate and make around 5% dealing with tenants, so they wouldn't mind making the same money with less effort. I don't know the poster's trading experience and wouldn't even get into discussing trading or variety of income streams.
    I posted this only as "rough idea" with conservative approach, and as one of possible/other ideas, and just one of possible examples. Anyone can do whatever they like with it.
     
    #28     Dec 26, 2019
  9. ETJ

    ETJ

    No margin - that kills about half the ideas. Is it a retirement account - otherwise get it margin approved and increase your flexibility.
     
    #29     Dec 26, 2019
  10. dozu888

    dozu888

    So many ideas lol.

    The best trade is still to go all in on the qqq. Bar none. Granted that op has the risk tolerance.

    Of course none of these ideas will actually be adopted. But in a few years it will become clear lol
     
    #30     Dec 26, 2019