Using nature and natural eco and bio systems to style your trading

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by Boy Plunger, Aug 28, 2005.

  1. #31     Sep 14, 2005
  2. Funny post by JM ... if i started a thread about sex and women we'd be here for eons.

    Pootay is a commodity in a sense. :D
     
    #32     Sep 14, 2005
  3. Oooh this stirred some thought......

    In a typical predator-prey model, there is an efficiency factor for the predators feeding on the prey. Though the quantity of prey will be high in the beginning, eventurally the prosperity of the predator will create large population growth and the stock of prey will greatly diminish to a point where it can no longer sustain the predator population. At this point, the predators will begin to die off while the prey replenish. And then the cycle repeats.

    In other words, once the big boys kill off all the small scale speculators, there will no longer be enough "food" to feed them all and they will die off slowly while the little guys replenish.

    There's your volatility cycle.
     
    #33     Sep 14, 2005
  4. ....Is another reason why traders/people get into a herd mentality....

    studying a predator's macro and micro universe structure is very telling about their plight but i would hesitantly say that well capitalized outfits die off. some, of course, do but the majority of accredited traders wait out the dead zone and most are mobile and can get into other instruments. we're living in and progressing into a global market structure. the prey is plentiful. imo

    Thanks for your words.
     
    #34     Sep 14, 2005
  5. I disagree, but I think the disagreement is based on our definitions of "Big Boys". I consider anyone with substantial sums to trade as a "Big Boy". This means houses like ML, CTA/CPOs, hedge funds, and large traders. A lot of large traders have blown out in the low volatility (at least from what I've gathered). Hedge funds blow out (VN and LTCM as examples). From what I hear, the brokerage houses are having a tough time this year with their own trading.

    There are always opportunities and prey, but when the prey diminish the predators will feel it. The prey does not have to be extinct for the predators to decline. I personally think we hit a predator peak over the last few years, as the quantity of hedge funds has grown tremendously.

    If you're curious about modelling of natural phenomena, try this program. It is free and is commonly used in academia for environmental sciences. If your not into that stuff, it's also fun to play with. There are many pre-build models for your enjoyment.

    http://ccl.northwestern.edu/netlogo/
     
    #35     Sep 14, 2005

  6. I think you make some valid points however i look at the majors as having supermarket type outfits. The firms have many failure and success stories but i look to that individual who is mobile and consistently performing in every setting. It's very difficult to put into words what i mean. I apologize for this. But, your underlying premise about predator/prey relationships is correct in my view. It's just not something that i can say, here, we start at Point A and end at Point B--this is the plight of said predator/prey. To me, the systems seem much more complex with varying levels of interdependencies. Not that i imply you take less of an approach. Thanks for your words. :)
     
    #36     Sep 15, 2005
  7. I principally use nature's air when trading.
    Hope this helps.
     
    #37     Sep 17, 2005
  8. bobbyod

    bobbyod

    If it's sunny, I go long, otherwise short. I exit positions when I have to get up to go potty.
     
    #38     Sep 17, 2005
  9. nitro

    nitro

    Thanks for the great link.

    nitro
     
    #39     Sep 17, 2005

  10. I trade while on the potty. I have a gold plated one with a fax machine and telephone. My broker complains about hearing my trades over the constant flushing and sometimes i mistakenly use fax paper instead of toilet tissue... Always have to stay one step ahead of the competition you know....the case is sol-ved.
     
    #40     Sep 19, 2005