USA will be bankrupt

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by AKHENATON, Apr 13, 2008.

  1. Thanks for posting that. I have seen some of his earlier interviews, I just didn't recognize him in this one. What's most disheartening to me is that a third party has almost no chance. No system is perfect, but from what I have studied, a parliamentary system is a more fair representation for the ppl. Why do we have an electoral college, it's a scam.

    I have many friends and some relatives in Canada and in Europe. From my understanding, it's a much more equitable in that this is power sharing based on popular vote unless a party wins a majority. There is none of this electoral college BS and only two parties.

    Canadians I have spoken with like Harper, but don't want him to get a majority in office. Similar to true cliches like follow the money, absolute power absolutely corrupts. IMO so of the dumbest things Bush did was when the Republicans controlled everything. There was no check and balance period until recently. You want some pork for your district go ahead as long as you support my war friend.

    While I am more liberal than most on this forum, I am concerned that if the Dems take control we will have out of control spending for anything that please any poor folks similar to the war machine Bush and Repub. controlled Congress has had recently. They still control most of Congress just not as completely as they did. My other fear is that there will be blanket amnesty for all illegals. if Dems get absolute power.

    I fear though that is a true independent say Ron Paul got elected he would get whacked within 6 months, sad to say.
     
    #61     Apr 13, 2008
  2. Americans: lions led by donkeys

    This is so true...
     
    #62     Apr 13, 2008
  3. #63     Apr 13, 2008
  4. I agree the Republican Party that Goldwater stood for has degenerated into a bunch of Moralist's more interested in trying to run peoples lives while embracing the Nanny State as much as the Socialists.

    While the Republicans worry about trival issues such as Abortion and Gay marriage the country drowns in $50 Trillion dollars of unfunded entitlements.


    Both Republicans and Democrats want the Government to run the show they just disagree what behavior the Government should sponsor.

    Goldwater:

    Libertarian views

    "Signing autographs at the Fiesta Bowl parade in 1983.By the 1980s, with Ronald Reagan as president and the growing involvement of the religious right in conservative politics, Goldwater's libertarian views on personal issues were revealed, which he believed were an integral part of true conservativism. Goldwater viewed abortion as a matter of personal choice, not intended for government intervention."

    As a passionate defender of personal liberty, he saw the religious right's views as an encroachment on personal privacy and individual liberties. In his 1980 Senate reelection campaign, Goldwater won support from religious conservatives but in his final term voted consistently to uphold legalized abortion and, in 1981, gave a speech on how he was angry about the bullying of American politicians by religious organizations, and would "fight them every step of the way".[18] Goldwater also disagreed with the Reagan administration on certain aspects of foreign policy (e.g. he opposed the decision to mine Nicaraguan harbors). Notwithstanding his prior differences with Dwight Eisenhower, Goldwater in a 1986 interview rated him the best of the seven Presidents with whom he had worked.

    After his retirement in 1987, Goldwater described the conservative Arizona Governor Evan Mecham as “hardheaded” and called on him to resign, and two years later stated that the Republican Party had been taken over by a “bunch of kooks.” In a 1994 interview with the Washington Post the retired senator said,

    “ When you say “radical right” today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye. ”

    In response to Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell's opposition to the nomination of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, of which Falwell had said, “Every good Christian should be concerned,” Goldwater retorted: “Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass.”[19] Goldwater also had harsh words for his onetime political protege, President Reagan, particularly after the Iran-Contra Affair became public in 1986. Journalist Robert MacNeil, a friend of Goldwater's from the 1964 Presidential campaign, recalled interviewing him in his office shortly afterward. "He was sitting in his office with his hands on his cane...and he said to me, 'Well, aren't you going to ask me about the Iran arms sales?' It had just been announced that the Reagan administration had sold arms to Iran. And I said, 'Well, if I asked you, what would you say?' He said, 'I'd say it's the goddamn stupidest foreign policy blunder this country's ever made!'",[20] though aside from the Iran-Contra scandal, Goldwater thought nonetheless that Reagan was a good president.[21] Also, in 1988 during that year's presidential campaign, he pointedly told vice-presidential nominee Dan Quayle at a campaign event in Arizona "I want you to go back and tell George Bush to start talking about the issues." [4]

    Some of Goldwater's statements in the 1990s aggravated many social conservatives. He endorsed Democrat Karan English in an Arizona congressional race, urged Republicans to lay off Clinton over the Whitewater scandal, and criticized the military's ban on homosexuals: “Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar.”[22] He also said, “You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.” A few years before his death he went so far as to address the right wing, "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican Party much more than the Democrats have."[23]

    In 1996 he told Bob Dole, whose own presidential campaign received lukewarm support from conservative Republicans: “We're the new liberals of the Republican Party. Can you imagine that?” In that same year, with Senator Dennis DeConcini, Goldwater endorsed an Arizona initiative to legalize medical marijuana against the will of social conservatives."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

    While the Republicans have lost their way, the Socialist Democrats have never even tried to look for it.


    John
     
    #64     Apr 13, 2008
  5. seriously why was this thread moved from economics to "chit chat"

    c'mon.
     
    #65     Apr 13, 2008
  6. zdreg

    zdreg

    not exactly. the uneducated boobs on ET who keeping on chanting US *1 are in for a rude awakening. Keep thinking that food riots are limited to nations like Haiti etc. you are in for a rude shock.

    "We find most people are jealous of our lifestyle.. BBQ, golden beaches and tanned bikini clad women

    "Land of milk and honey, babes and money " by misterman.

    is that the best america has to offer ?
    what a sad joke?
    as to BBQ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/uruguay_big_barbecue
     
    #66     Apr 14, 2008
  7. Jesus the Jew?

     
    #67     Apr 14, 2008
  8. You're an idiot. There's not a lot more to add in response to such a stupid comment.

     
    #68     Apr 14, 2008
  9. zdreg

    zdreg

    it was meant as a joke but with more than a grain of truth. feel free to add your response as my remark has obviously has hit the core of how you judge yourself ie the trader.
     
    #69     Apr 14, 2008
  10. You need to lay off the camel dung.... if by "depth" you were talking about our national debt, it's closer to $30,000 per person. As a % of GDP it's no big deal, not to mention that says nothing of national assets.

     
    #70     Apr 14, 2008