US taxes for non-US traders trading US instruments

Discussion in 'Taxes and Accounting' started by STaRGaZeR, Nov 13, 2016.

  1. luisHK

    luisHK

    Yes, that's both my understanding and experience, bar some minimal transaction taxes (I think the main one goes to fund the SEC, and we are talking less than 0.01% on the sales proceed ).
     
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    #11     Nov 14, 2016
  2. ELo

    ELo

    Capital Gain tax <> Income Tax
     
    #12     Nov 14, 2016
  3. luisHK

    luisHK

    there is no income tax to pay in the US either in the cases discussed above.
     
    #13     Nov 14, 2016
  4. Thanks for the info! So to summarize:
    • Nothing to declare to the IRS (US tax authority) about any capital gains obtained by trading US stocks, ETFs, futures or options.
    • If I ever receive any dividends, there is a withholding tax and it'll be deducted directly by IB. The amount depends on the tax treaty between countries.
    • This is supposing the paperwork is all done with IB, including proper filling of the W-8BEN form.
    Do I have to fill any document in any of the cases above and send it to the IRS? Or does IB do all the necessary paperwork?

    Feel free to correct me if something is wrong.

    Thanks. I'll re-read the corresponding treaty in detail.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1256_Contract . I'll not be trading 1256 (one thousand...) ES contracts :D
     
    #14     Nov 14, 2016
  5. luisHK

    luisHK

    Exactly, and there's no need to send any document to the IRS.
     
    #15     Nov 14, 2016
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  6. Reed664

    Reed664

    You should ask to a tax expert,because i recall reading that the loophole of non-residents
    not paying taxes on the US is closed they have to pay 30% on income i think.
    I think the senate close the loophole. I don't have the link sorry.
     
    #16     Nov 14, 2016
  7. I always recommend you check with your local tax authority/accountant if in doubt but:

    1) The US does not tax non-resident aliens living abroad :)
    (If you spend enough time in the US to be classified as Tax Resident than you are viable. For the US this is I believe about 6 months).

    2) Income you generate from capital gains will be subject to taxation in the region that you are tax liable to. If you live in the EU you'll be taxed by them on all your global income.

    3) Dividends are collected by the US at the rate of 30%, however you may be able to reclaim some of this if you have a tax treaty. If you are registered with IB as being in a tax-treatied area with favourable tax conditions I think this gets reduced to 15% for the EU.
     
    #17     Nov 14, 2016
  8. tax treaty is an agreement between my country and US?
     
    #18     Nov 14, 2016
  9. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    Yes. European as well trading futures full time for 10 years. Never paid anything to the US( and I am grateful to your country, guys ).
     
    #19     Nov 14, 2016
  10. Thanks again!

    Yep, I have to look again at the treaty but I remember 10 or 20% percent on the dividends. Everything would be easier if the local authorities weren't complete incompetents...
     
    #20     Nov 14, 2016