US Soverign Debt just downgraded

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by silk, Nov 9, 2010.

  1. Maybe gravity is the expression that you will hear a lot in the coming days. And it is referred to the downside that Treasury Bonds and Treasury Notes will experience....

    I have already bought my deep OTM puts, did you ????
     
    #11     Nov 9, 2010
  2. It seems a popular argument in favor of the US Dollar is that there is not an alternative. It was fortuitous that the US was ready as the UK declined. That does not mean that the world will be lucky twice in a row.

    Confidence is eroding in the dollar and in fiat currency in general. Confidence is eroding in the political class that rules most industrial nations. The reality is confidence is simply eroding.

    If it continues to erode -- and there are many reasons why it should -- the fact that there is nothing to replace the dollar will not be enough for people to believe it is a store of value.

    It seems to me in a year or three or five, but probably not longer, there will be hell to pay.
     
    #12     Nov 9, 2010
  3. There is an alternative: Electronic Stored Value

    Much like stored value cards used by retailers but made available on an all encompassing international level. Makes sense as a natural progression from coins and paper to an all electronic world currency pegged to the actual value of the purchasing power.

    Unfortunately FINCEN still controls trading of anything that can be construed as a currency equivalent as far as US citizens are concerned.



     
    #13     Nov 9, 2010
  4. m22au

    m22au

    First of all, Dagong is an accredited rating agency:
    http://www.dagongcredit.com/dagongweb/english/aboutus/index.php

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ch...ees-long-term-recession-blasts-qe2-expects-cr

    Second, regardless of your opinion of Dagong agency as a whole, they are far more credible with regards to their assessment of the creditworthiness of the USA, given that S&P and Moodys would not dare to downgrade the country.

    Third, I'm don't think the credit rating of the USA really matters that much, because they can pay back government debt by printing fresh currency. Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain and Italy don't have the same luxury.
     
    #14     Nov 9, 2010
  5. S2007S

    S2007S


    All of the sudden another country downgrades US debt and you think the thread is misleading???

    Why is that?
     
    #15     Nov 9, 2010
  6. dhpar

    dhpar

    +1


    made my day...:D :D :D
     
    #16     Nov 9, 2010
  7. ......ignorance is bliss.
     
    #17     Nov 9, 2010
  8. LOL
    Just for fun, How they rate chinese real state? AAA?
     
    #18     Nov 9, 2010
  9. i'd say it is important. indicationg that chinese (and associates) will buy us debt and require higher payout. In a way, increase in US interest rate. Probably quite substantial. Forcing more priniting. or else.

    that cant be good.
     
    #19     Nov 9, 2010
  10. pspr

    pspr

    I prefer to use the Hogwart Credit Rating Agency, Inc. for credit rating comparisons. They are superior to any Chinese Dragon rating company. And here is why:

    Dagong Global Credit Rating Co., the Chinese rating company that was recently rejected in its bid to be an officially recognized bond rater in the U.S.....

    Needless to say, the markets don’t find this (rating) credible.


    http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2010/11/09/chinese-credit-rater-downgrades-us/
     
    #20     Nov 9, 2010