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  1. jem

    jem

    FC troll we have covered this...
    98 percent of scientists dont even agree on toothpaste....

    your study was a fraudulent piece of shit mis read of the study...

    here is the reality of science....



    PRINCETON, NJ (January 3, 2011)—S. Fred Singer said in an interview with the National Association of Scholars (NAS) that “the number of skeptical qualified scientists has been growing steadily; I would guess it is about 40% now.”
    Singer, a leading scientific skeptic of anthropocentric global warming (AGW), is an atmospheric physicist, and founder of the Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP), an organization that began challenging the published findings of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in the 1990s. SEPP established the Leipzig Declaration, a statement of dissent from the 1997 Kyoto Protocol that has been signed by over one hundred scientists and meteorologists.
    Asked what he would like to see happen in regard to public opinion and policy on climate change, Singer replied,
    I would like to see the public look upon global warming as just another scientific controversy and oppose any public policies until the major issues are settled, such as the cause. If mostly natural, as NIPCC concludes, then the public policies currently discussed are pointless, hugely expensive, and wasteful of resources that could better be applied to real societal problems.
    NIPCC is the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change, another group established by Singer. In 2009 NIPCC published Climate Change Reconsidered,an 880-page report on scientific research that contradicts the models of man-made global warming. Singer believes that global warming exists but that human contributions to it are minimal. In the interview Singer said he believed his efforts in the last twenty years had been successful in disproving the notion that “the science is settled.”
    Singer continues his work in the sciences, focusing lately on geophysical research and the Earth’s atmosphere. He is professor emeritus of environmental science at the University of Virginia, and he was the founding Dean of the School of Environmental and Planetary Sciences at the University of Miami (1964-1967) and the Director of the Center for Atmospheric and Space Physics University of Maryland (1953-1962).
    The National Association of Scholars does not take a position on global warming but advocates for a full discussion of all sides of the controversy.To learn more about NAS, visit www.nas.org.
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    http://www.nas.org/articles/Estimated_40_Percent_of_Scientists_Doubt_Manmade_Global_Warming















     
    #91     Jan 13, 2013
  2. jem

    jem

    Less than half of published scientists endorse global warming

    Link to this page
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/klaus-martin-schulte-consensus.htm


    The skeptic argument...
    Less than half of published scientists endorse global warming
    Klaus-Martin Schulte examined all papers published from 2004 to February 2007. Of 528 total papers on climate change, only 38 (7%) gave an explicit endorsement of the consensus. While only 32 papers (6%) reject the consensus outright, the largest category (48%) are neutral papers, refusing to either accept or reject the hypothesis. Only a single one makes any reference to climate change leading to catastrophic results. (Source: DailyTech)
    What the science says...
    Schulte's paper makes much of the fact that 48% of the papers they surveyed are neutral papers, refusing to either accept or reject anthropogenic global warming. The fact that so many studies on climate change don't bother to endorse the consensus position is significant because scientists have largely moved from what's causing global warming onto discussing details of the problem (eg - how fast, how soon, impacts, etc).
    Schulte's paper (going on DailyTech's account) places great emphasis on the fact that
     
    #92     Jan 13, 2013
  3. jem

    jem

    Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections

    Scientists in this section have made comments that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.
    Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society [9]
    Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences[10]
    Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003), and author of books supporting the validity of dowsing[11]
    Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow ANU[12]
    Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London[13]
    Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute [14]
    Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes



    Graph showing the ability with which a global climate model is able to reconstruct the historical temperature record, and the degree to which those temperature changes can be decomposed into various forcing factors. It shows the effects of five forcing factors: greenhouse gases, man-made sulfate emissions, solar variability, ozone changes, and volcanic emissions.[15]
    Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.
    Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences[16]
    Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[17][18]
    Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[19]
    Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland[20]
    David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester[21]
    Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University[22]
    William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University[23]
    William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University[24]
    William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology[25]
    David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware[26]
    Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[27]
    Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[28][29]
    Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of Mining Geology, the University of Adelaide.[30]
    Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University[31][32]
    Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo[33]
    Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia[34][35][36]
    Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[37]
    Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville[38]
    Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center[39]
    Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa[40]
    Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown

    Scientists in this section have made comments that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.
    Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks[41]
    Claude Allègre, politician; geochemist, Institute of Geophysics (Paris)[42]
    Robert C. Balling, Jr., a professor of geography at Arizona State University[43]
    John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC[44][45]
    Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory[46]
    Judith Curry, Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology[47]
    David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma[48]
    Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists[49]
    Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences

    Scientists in this section have made comments that projected rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for human society and/or the Earth's environment. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.
    Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change [50]
    Sherwood Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University[51]
    Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science at the University of Virginia[52]
    See also

    Global warming portal
    Global warming controversy
    Global warming conspiracy theory
    Hockey stick controversy
    List of authors from the IPCC AR4 WGI report
    List of climate scientists
    Merchants of Doubt
    Oregon petition
    Notes

    ^ In its 2007 assessment report, IPCC projected likely temperature rise for various hypothetical levels of future greenhouse gas emissions, known as "emissions scenarios". They reported that during the 21st century the global surface temperature is likely to rise a further 1.1 to 2.9 °C (2 to 5.2 °F) for the lowest emissions scenario used in the report, and 2.4 to 6.4 °C (4.3 to 11.5 °F) for the highest.[53]
    References
     
    #93     Jan 13, 2013
  4. What the science says.

    Schulte's paper makes much of the fact that 48% of the papers they surveyed are neutral papers, refusing to either accept or reject anthropogenic global warming. The fact that so many studies on climate change don't bother to endorse the consensus position is significant because scientists have largely moved from what's causing global warming onto discussing details of the problem (eg - how fast, how soon, impacts, etc).


    In other words, it's word-play, which is what you're doing here.
     
    #94     Jan 13, 2013
  5. First off- if you notice - after 377 admonished me for name calling - I have not insulted you or made a personal attack.

    Second. You do realize, that when scientists say "human activity" they mean the release of greenhouse gasses, the clearing of forests and perhaps sulfates and particulates. They do this to be inclusive of these various things. The vast majority of the greenhouse gas is CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels. They know that.

    But your point is taken. The poll was not specifically about CO2.
     
    #95     Jan 13, 2013
  6. You told me what? You never said CO2 was a greenhouse gas. Is it a greenhouse gas?
     
    #96     Jan 13, 2013
  7. jem

    jem

    what is your point with this juvenile question?
    I have answered it.
    It is a basic definition?
    Water vapor is a green house case.
    Is water vapor causing warming?

    1. All the evidence we have says CO2 accumulation and dissipation lag temperature.

    You have admitted that.

    2. Until today you claimed bullshit about 98 percent of climatoligists.
    now you see they did not address CO2 and it was not really 98 percent.
    it was 98 percent of those published a certain amount of times in what I am sure is pro alarmist journals.

    3. You also learned today we have not warmed in 15 years. (according to the stats.)

    So its about time you apologized to all of us for hostile attitude and incorrect statements about temperature the last 15 years.

    Given CO2 lags temperature in the data... and that the earth cycles, and that the earth out gasses CO2 and that the earth processes CO2 with earth sinks... and that plants eat CO2..

    just show us that man made co2 is causing warming....

    that is all we ask.

    if you can not...

    back off your tone and b.s. and admit it is speculation.
     
    #97     Jan 14, 2013
  8. No, we have evidence right now that CO2 leads temperature. That is why world temps are at or near record highs.
     
    #98     Jan 14, 2013
  9. Holy shit, you can't just say, yes CO2 is a greenhouse gas can you? If you were on the witness stand the judge would hold in contempt of court ! LOL

    This is important. Without admitting this, we really can't move forward.

    I ask for the tenth time. Is CO2 a greenhouse gas?
     
    #99     Jan 14, 2013
  10. jem

    jem

    That same data... is also susceptible to the idea that the man made gw models failed.

    The models predicted we would be at significantly higher temps. Since, we are not at new highs for over 15 years, we can question the idea that CO2 causes warming. (note I am not the one who made this argument... the gw pimp scientists are quite concerned about this... that is why they were caught emailing and fudging numbers in that scandal a few years ago.)
     
    #100     Jan 14, 2013