US President election and Trading

Discussion in 'Trading' started by noblehawk, Oct 23, 2016.

  1. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Hope your right!

    Maybe Polls are being faked to the Clintons side, to get more I dunno sympathy or lets vote for the under dog maybe ??

    Brexit, which was in favour just of staying, should of went more to the stay side but in actual votes it went just slightly the other way to Brexit :(

    Too many variables, it sadly isn't over to the fat lady sings!!
     
    #31     Oct 26, 2016

  2. They also continue to choose Hillary Clinton in spite of her compulsive lies, legal shenanigans and medical problems.

    It's not America. It's the broken political system and a corrupt media that enables all this.
     
    #32     Oct 26, 2016
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  3. to be honest i find most people never argue against my libertarian standpoints.. yet most people i know are voting for one or the other of these loons.. no one believes in the free market anymore.. its interventionism, protectionism, socialism, all of which are destructionism... its a terrible thing.. i honestly think it was our forefathers that were ultimately individualists and libertarian free marketeers, yet over time this has happened.. dependents voting for more income from the governement, people ok with 40% tax on income.. This is complete theft, no other way around it.. the idea that the so called "rich" which is not static by any means should pay their "fair share" is a complete sterilization of our people.. They teach keysian economics in our schools.. no one is even familiar with the great liberialist libertarian free market econnomists like von mises.. it really sickens me to be honest... the nazi's said that they were defending their country by invading others.. and here we are off in the middle east droning the crap out of people ,FOR WHAT , defense, give me a break..
     
    #33     Oct 26, 2016
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  4. My values actually lean towards Libertarian. But Gary Johnson is not presidential material. He looked insecure when I saw him being interviewed and he did not know what Aleppo was. No candidate knows everything about all the issues....but Aleppo has been on the news every night for about 2 years. But in all fairness, the media does not cover him very well. The liberal media assists Hillary and bashes Trump at every opportunity. The average person does not even know who Gary Johnson and Jill Stein are.

    Jill Stein is forgettable. But, Gary Johnson should have been included in the debates. He has 10 percent of the vote. The Federal Election Committee (run by Dems and Repubs) used to have a 10% standard for being included, but then they raised it to 15%. I am confident they did it because of the rising interest in the Libertarian Party.

    I never studied Von Mise in college but I have read a few things about him since I graduated. He seems like a good guy I would have enjoyed drinking a beer with. Is it the University of Alabama that has a Business School modeled after his values?


    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities
    Voltaire

    The job of media is not to inform, but to misinform: Divert public attention from important issues and changes decided by the political and economic elites, by the technique of flood or continuous flood of distractions and insignificant information......Noam Chomsky

    ^
    This is what the media was condemned for doing during the Nazi years and during the USSR. And now it is being done to us by a liberal media that pampers and condones Hillary because she has already been chosen by the elitists to be the next president. 91 % of the media coverage is anti-Trump and you rarely hear anything negative about Hillary. And you hear nothing about Jill Stein or Gary Johnson, even though Johnson is polling 10 percent.

    http://theinternationalcoalition.blogspot.com/2011/07/noam-chomsky-top-10-media-manipulation_08.html

    I remember seeing a quote from Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin that said something along the lines of our country failing when people think it is a right to receive money from the govt and not the right to work for it....I don't have time to research it.

    But...the Founding Fathers were the greatest group of men our country has ever created. Their thoughts were original and the idea of self determination didn't exist anywhere else in the world at the time. They were a unique bunch of guys and it's been downhill ever sense.
     
    #34     Oct 26, 2016
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  5. Voltaire is super Dooper awesome... I have read his main works... Von Mises is a student of Carl menger and Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk .. all Austrian school economics... Later came Murray Rothbard the anarco capitalist.... Today all big corporations jockey for special privlege.. anything goes wrong with their exploits using the state apparatus to gain monopoly is blamed completely on wild cat capitalists.. in schools today there is no mention of the Austrians., Your right there is probably one school teaching it in the entire USA... But all are indoctrinating the youth with socialist utopian ideals... No one describes the credit boom bust cycle like the Austrians... If anyone would actual read this stuff it would be like a spiritual awakening to them... I agree with your quotes... Noam is a bit of a interventionist but to me I give him a bit of a pass..

    As far as Gary Johnson goes.. read his Wikipedia.. he is 1000x more legit then the two big candidates.. I'm not into policing the world.. we should stay out of allepo .. all the sick socialist rhetoric gets a pass along with all the criminality for Hillary.. Trump is just a chauvinist who is looking to rise to power and wealth through the state apparatus. The populous isn't interested in anyone with good character.. I'm with you the founding fathers were all some type pirate mutineers ... They buck the system and ultimately told the British that taxation is theft and took over the ship... That hasn't happened anywhere else like it happened in the USA... The rest of the world is run by totalitarian Communist or socialist tyrants...european socialism is on the rise.. state control is back in fashion... This type of thinking is sterilizing. The kind of ideology that starts wars and famines...
     
    #35     Oct 27, 2016
  6. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Its Auburn. There's a think-tank there.... believe it or not ;).
     
    #36     Oct 27, 2016
  7. Apparently this is the truth of the day,The media is corrupting minds more than ever!
     
    #37     Oct 27, 2016
  8. piezoe

    piezoe

    Trump is irrelevant. He has been an entertaining side show, and he may have a media afterlife on television channels so long as sponsors can be found. As a business man he is ruined for the time being. His brand has little to no cache' since he was exposed as a liar and cheat. It will be hard for him to borrow money, and few contractors will work for his company unless paid in advance. There are several pending law suits that could be quite troublesome for him. But it is admittedly difficult to keep these blow hard salesmen down.

    He needed the spotlight of the American Race for the White House to attract widespread media attention. Once that's over, he will fade rather quickly.
     
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    #38     Oct 27, 2016
  9. Sig

    Sig

    I'd add that his supporters, based on what you see at his rallies (note I'm purposely mis-extrapolating based on rallies like he does), are in no physical condition to resist much of anything. There's no indication that any institution of the U.S. government would join in any "rebellion", and none of his upper level surrogates (Giuliani, Gingrich, Christie?) have the stomach for that kind of thing. You might see a couple Bundy types try to occupy some remote piece of federal land and some red face ranting, but that's nothing new and not the kind of thing that moves markets. I'd say to buy volatility if you think Trump will surprise the market consensus and win, it's dirt cheap in that case. Otherwise relax.
     
    #39     Oct 27, 2016
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  10. piezoe

    piezoe

    In general, "Free-markets," as anarcho-capitalists who refer to themselves as "libertarians" envision them, can not exist for long. They will spontaneously morph into something else. In the absence of regulation they will become cartels and monopolies; when over regulated in an accommodating political environment they will become, via regulatory capture, fascist partners with government, raising ever higher barriers to market entry from competitors. It is only through wise, restrained, even-handed regulation that anything like free markets can exist for long. This latter state of affairs is unstable and therefore difficult to maintain.
     
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    #40     Oct 27, 2016