Uprise lost 99% of client funds while shorting LUNA

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by The_Krakenite, Jul 10, 2022.

  1. TheDawn

    TheDawn

    Yes but the recordkeeping for crypto and the clearing of trades in crypto is a technology that totally relies on the computer network. And if that computer network does not exist anymore one day, the recordkeeping will completely collapse. If tomorrow, the computer network doesn't exist anymore, we can still trade and we can still have a record of the financial assets that we have today regardless of whether we have seen or received or have the physical certificates or not. The fact that we can have and have had them before makes all the difference.
     
    #21     Jul 11, 2022
  2. Jzwu2017

    Jzwu2017

    The current crypto exchanges are not regulated so they operate in a gray zone and when shit happens those crypto “investors” would have no recourse whatsoever.
     
    #22     Jul 11, 2022
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  3. schizo

    schizo

    But from what I understand, that's not how blockchain operates (or so it claims):

    "A blockchain is a decentralized ledger of all transactions across a peer-to-peer network. Using this technology, participants can confirm transactions without a need for a central clearing authority. Potential applications can include fund transfers, settling trades, voting, and many other issues."
     
    #23     Jul 11, 2022
  4. This is where we need regulation. How does Voyager get off by saying all of the customer accounts are their assets not the customers. I guess you need to NOT keep your assets at an Exchange until or if they created insured segregated customer accounts like a normal stock brokerage has. Thankfully, I did not have any of my assets at Voyager.

    What an exchange should be able to do is just make money off of the the fees for buying and selling the coins. They should NOT be allowed to lend out customer coins to another 3rd party. Yes, banks can lend out customer money as loans for people to buy houses but the customer money is FDIC insured.
     
    #24     Jul 11, 2022
  5. Snuskpelle

    Snuskpelle

    Presumably they had liquidity issues exiting the short and contributing to the upward spike whilst trying to exit.

    "AI powered bla bla bla" really won't help you if you don't have the core risk management correct, one might say immutable law to all traders.
     
    #25     Jul 11, 2022
  6. TheDawn

    TheDawn

    And the auditing of those exchanges' books too.
     
    #26     Jul 11, 2022
  7. Axon

    Axon

    Uprise was continuously rebalancing on the way down, reinvesting paper profits into the short, maintaining or even increasing the leverage. Akin to rebalancing a leveraged position on the way up to maintain some multiple. Works absolutely fantastic until it doesn't. A sprinkle of risk management, à la rebalancing the leverage lower as the position moved against them may have saved their asses. That takes discipline though, lightening a position that's moving against you, locking in potential losses. Obviously they lacked either the insight to know what to do or the necessary discipline to execute. Either way, some people aren't cut out to be traders. Too bad their clients have to suffer but that's the game.
     
    #27     Jul 11, 2022
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  8. Snuskpelle

    Snuskpelle

    Interesting. Yeah, that screams "noob".
     
    #28     Jul 11, 2022
  9. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    What do you think would happen if the digital world would not exist anymore? You think losing all your bitcoin would be the biggest issue?
     
    #29     Jul 11, 2022
  10. Specterx

    Specterx

    Lol. Just lol.
     
    #30     Jul 11, 2022