United States a Giant Ponzi Scheme?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by bearice, Feb 19, 2010.

  1. Let’s face it, the government-bond market in the West is a gigantic Ponzi scheme. Most governments in the ‘developed’ world are drowning in debt, they are running mind-boggling budget deficits and printing money like there is no tomorrow. Furthermore, under the guise of quantitative easing, their central banks are buying their own newly issued debt!

    It is our contention that similar to Mr. Madoff’s hedge fund, the sovereign debt markets in the West have now become gigantic scams. Only this time around, the players have changed and the sums involved are significantly larger.

    Figure 1 highlights the incredible expansion in America’s national debt. It is noteworthy that at the turn of the millennium, America’s national debt was less than half of its current value. Put simply, American policymakers have taken on more debt over the past decade than they have over the last one hundred years!

    What is more astonishing is the fact that America is funding a large portion of its newly issued debt by direct purchases from the Federal Reserve. In other words, as private-sector demand for US Treasuries wanes, Mr. Bernanke is creating new money so that Mr. Obama’s government can bail out insolvent financial institutions. Strangely, the American establishment is quite content to pledge the economic fate of its future generations in order to protect the bondholders of dubious ‘too big to fail’ corporations. Hmm, talk about change…

    Apart from the world’s largest economy, various other nations in the ‘developed’ world are also following such misguided policies. For instance, UK’s national debt is exploding and is forecast to reach GBP1.1 trillion by 2011. At present, its national debt is worth GBP891 billion and this equates to GBP14,304 for every man, woman and child in the United Kingdom!

    Elsewhere in Europe, the situation is equally dire in nations such as Ireland, Spain, Greece and Italy. Furthermore, various countries in Eastern Europe are on the verge of economic doom.

    Given the precarious state of so many economies in the West, we are amazed that the respective government bond markets have not fallen apart at the seams. Perhaps, they are all heading down Japan’s route, where national debt is now above 170% of GDP, yet the yield on Japanese government debt is pathetic. But then again, perhaps they are not…

    In our view, in the not too distant future, the interest payments on the outstanding national debts in the overstretched ‘developed’ nations will become so large that their central banks will need to create money just to keep the Ponzi schemes going. When that happens, the game will be up and we will probably experience a total breakdown of the fiat-money experiment. At this stage, we do not know when the day of reckoning will arrive but we do know that all Ponzi schemes ultimately collapse under their own weight and this one will be no different.

    Given the shocking debt overhang in the West and the threat of surging inflation later this decade, we cannot understand why anybody would want to lend money to bankrupt governments!? In the worst case scenario, these naïve bondholders risk losing their entire capital and the best outcome involves a significant loss of purchasing power due to inflation. Accordingly, we are not investing in sovereign debt and we suggest that you refrain from lending money to dubious governments.

    Finally, although we are pessimistic about the long-term prospects of government debt, we are aware of the possibility of a near-term rally; especially if there is another round of risk aversion in the financial markets. So, if we do get another deflationary scare and bond prices rally, holders of government debt are best advised to liquidate their positions.

    Furthermore, if our world-view is correct, extremely high inflation is now inevitable. As long as the monetary velocity in the US is weak, inflationary expectations will remain subdued, but once the economic activity picks up, the world will experience spiralling inflation. When that occurs, hard assets will protect the purchasing power of your savings. Accordingly, we have allocated a large portion of our clients’ capital to energy (upstream companies, oil services plays and alternative energy plays), precious metals miners and diversified base metals miners.

    At the time of writing, precious metals are at a critical juncture and the price of gold is trading above an important support level.

    Figure 2 shows that the price of gold peaked at US$1,075 in October 2009 and that level is now acting as important support. Now, if the bull-market’s trend consistency is intact, then the price of gold must rally immediately and challenge its December high. At the very least, the price of gold must hold above US$1,075 per ounce. So, will gold manage to stay above this critical support level?

    Before we attempt to answer this question, we must confess that short-term forecasting is extremely difficult and we really do not know what will happen over the following days. However, what we do know is that the macro-economic environment has never been better for the yellow metal. After all, mined supply is in decline, investment demand is rising, the public sector has become a net buyer of gold and hatred towards paper currencies is on the rise. Under these circumstances, we expect gold to perform very well. However, you must remember that the American currency is in rally mode and this is exerting downward pressure on all metals.

    Now, if we were forced to take a stand at gunpoint, we would say that the odds of a rally in gold are 65/35. Accordingly, we are holding on to our positions in precious metals mining stocks and may consider lightening up during spring (which is when precious metals usually make an intermediate-term peak).

    Now, if gold does the unexpected and breaks below US$1,075 per ounce, then we envisage a deeper correction to the US$1,000 per ounce level. Even if that happens, we will continue to hold on to our positions in gold mining companies, which have already depreciated in the ongoing stock-market correction.

    Short-term setbacks notwithstanding, we continue to believe that hard assets are in a secular bull-market, which will probably end in a gigantic mania. According to our guesstimate, the bull-market will end in the latter half of this decade; at a time, when inflationary expectations are spiralling out of control.

    Make no mistake, the policy actions of the past 18 months are extremely inflationary and once the American economy stabilises, we will experience a significant increase in the general price level. And before this is all over, government bonds will (once again) be recognised as ‘certificates of confiscation’.

  2. tt dosent mean u cant continue, just look at donald trump, just keep borrowing against the borrowed, hes still pretty well off
  3. False notion. He can "continue to borrow" only so long as lenders will lend to him. Same for a nation... same for USA even with reserve currency.

    When you can no longer borrow, the jig is up!

    And while we're on the topic...

    Obama signs off on HUGE/MONTROUSLY EGREGIOUS BUDGET DEFICIT SPENDING... AND HUGE "EARMARKS" (contrary to his campaign promises against earmarks)... and THEN wants to form a commison to discuss how to reduce the deficit? (You just watch... this "commission" will be his excuse to go back on his promise of "no tax hikes for those earning <$250K")

    Obama is a WEASEL... A TOTAL LIAR, POS, HYPOCRITE... he deserves no less than to be kicked in the balls and sent packing!!


    (In case you're doubting my sincerity or partisanship, I am for America... against big government... against the Libtards and Progressives.. I was for Bush being kicked in the balls and sent packing too.)

    :mad: :mad:
  4. The way his companies are set up, and the amount he borrows from banks, gives him a rather comfortable position to go through bankruptcy every decade or so, and thus, socialize his accumulated losses while retaining much of his wealth - to be grown during the next cycle up.

    99.999% of the population does not have this luxury. When we get kicked in the nuts by the market, we feel it, unlike Trump.
  5. Actually donald trump is a good example of what america is doing. Donald trump gets so in debt that he has to borrow more money or trump will go bankrupt and the banks will lose alot. The USA is the same way. China and everyone else keeps loaning money because they dont want to lose what assets they already have.

  6. Exactly, trump and the US are essentially conducting the same ponzi. As in OP's point, it's america though which can continue the charade much longer than trump. Hell, it took 20 years and a nasty bear market to catch madoff.

    The next real recession is going to probably be the mother of them all - when the US and other sovereigns get totally exposed. It's inevitably gonna happen one day but probably not for a while.

    I think another 5-10 years sounds about right. Just when all those boomers start going through their pensions our "real" debt will force us to fess up and we won't be able to pay the bill.

    Guns and canned food time then.

    No worries though, we still seem to be in a nice stage of the ponzi where greater fools keep buying into the markets, so enjoy the game right now while its hot :D
  7. BigSalad


    The US doesn't have to buy its own debt - as long as the various central banks buy each other's debt the band keeps playing...
  8. Posted in other forum-:

    You've just hit the main point. It happens because the world economy is a big Ponzi and by the laws of a Ponzi it must collapse periodically when the balloon gets overinflated or inflated. Got it? Inflated = Inflation. What inflates it? the printing of money, the overproduction of needless goods. What blows up the balloon - over-debt of people and governments. The pyramid begins to shake from the base, because there is no one left to feed it /everyone or most are in debt/, then it collapses. The cycle repeats....
  9. Likely true... However, we should all be in a PANIC to prevent it as much as possible. Sure, "cycle repeats", but the old losers (you know, like you and I and all US citizens) are still losers when things get better... there will be new winners, but they won't be US!
    #10     Feb 22, 2010