Unilever--finding relationships pre market

Discussion in 'Trading' started by breakin, May 2, 2003.

  1. breakin


    I would like to quickly be able to look for stocks that relate to each other in some other way than being in the same industry. It is very easy to find similar stocks in the same sector but during special circumstances such as when news comes out on an issue in the middle of the day there are other, sometimes better and "safer" plays that are not as apparent.

    For example on the day Healthsouth was halted (halted around 3.40 and opened at about 14cents) there was a REIT (symbol HR)which earned 25% of its revenue from HRC leases, the stock never squeezed and went down 4pts.

    What kind of resources are available to find these relationships quickly? Please dont just say "do your research" No one can know and remember the tens of thousands of these kind of relationships that must exist---but if I know what kind of relationship I may be looking for I would like to find a place to begin looking.

  2. cashonly

    cashonly Bright Trading, LLC

    I think the people who "know these stocks" can drive the prices down/up quicker than I would think any resource could help you find them.

    Think about all the people who know:
    The leasing agents at the REIT
    The analysts who have gone through every document at the REIT and UN
    The property management people at UN
    The fund managers who are responsible for HR and UN in their particular funds.

    You've got a LOT of experts you're competing with.

    But, I would love to have a resource for that as well, so I wish you luck with your quest.

  3. If you subscribe to market topology you can plug in any stock that makes a move and immediately get the stocks with the highest correlations and flag them for potential moves or buy/short them on the expectation that they go.

    Any stock that makes a huge intraday move or even premarket should be immediately checked for correlations.

    This is where a huge amount of money can be made, and the lags are greater than you would think.
  4. If you have the money....this is also worth looking into:

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