unhappy with Collective2

Discussion in 'Trading' started by TradeBlazer, Mar 9, 2024.

  1. TheDawn

    TheDawn

    Your strategy is too risky for investors' appetite, that's my guess. Your strategy has a maximum 43.5% drawdown which means an investor can lose close to half of his/her money and your win ratio is less than 50% so your strategy is losing money more than half of the time. And the bulk of your winning is concentrated in this one month of December. This is a kinda of a swing-for-the-fences kind of strategy. For more than half of the time, you don't win but this one few times that you do win, you win a windfall. But during the time that you are losing, you could lose almost half of the invested capital. So after losing almost all of the invested capital, how does an investor still have money to invest to win the windfall?

    This is what goes on in an investor's mind when he/she is looking at your strategy and this is probably what the algorithm takes into account when assessing a strategy's eligibility to be included on the leaderboard. So if I were you and I wanted to improve my C2 score, I would tweek the strategy a bit to lower the max drawdown and increase the chance of winning a bit. I mean think about it, if you were to invest your own money, would you invest in a strategy that only wins less than half of the time and can make you lose almost half of your money? If you would, then f the Collective2 and just trade your strategy with your own money. You would make 242% return on your invested capital, that's more than double the invested capital, who gives a s about subscription fees? You will be richer than Warren Buffett in no time.
     
    #11     Mar 11, 2024
  2. TheDawn

    TheDawn

    I think C2 factors in a lot on risk and tends to favour more strategies that have a high win ratio.
     
    #12     Mar 11, 2024
  3. d08

    d08

    That's poor as win ratio is one of the most irrelevant factors. I'd even argue that win rate over 80% screams implosion risk.
     
    #13     Mar 11, 2024
  4. maxinger

    maxinger

    What a strange fellow.

    If you already have a good system, why bother to have your trades
    posted on the Leaderboard?
    Why suffer distress because of Collective2 action/inaction?

    Keep your trades / strategies to yourself.
    Go trade live using another broker.
    Then quietly collect tons and tons and tons of profits.

    There are hundreds of regulated / reputable brokers for you to choose from.
    So go pick and choose.
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2024
    #14     Mar 11, 2024
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  5. Quanto

    Quanto

    @maxinger, it's about leverage :)
    With many paying subscribers (say each $150/month) this can mean a very big leverage :)
     
    #15     Mar 11, 2024
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  6. maxinger

    maxinger

    I hope the OP has done all the calculations.

    He is trading options. It is already leveraged.
    If he is doing well, he doesn't need supplementary income.
     
    #16     Mar 11, 2024
  7. ironchef

    ironchef

    @Quanto has a good point.

    With that type of returns, why bother with Collective2 and get meager subscription income?
     
    #17     Mar 11, 2024
  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    Compounding such an outsize return is a much better leverage than leverage with subscriptions, unless it is not sustainable, then Collective2 is correct.
     
    #18     Mar 11, 2024
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  9. Quanto

    Quanto

    @ironchef, thx, but it seems you don't know how social media frenzy works, how influencer get paid, and how rich they get :)
    With such a trading reputation he will have many paying subscribers, making him much richer than from trading... :)
     
    #19     Mar 11, 2024
  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    True I am too old to understand social media.

    I was also wrong thinking someone with that type of returns would be happy just quietly print money?
     
    #20     Mar 11, 2024
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