Understanding futures options

Discussion in 'Options' started by masterm1ne, Apr 18, 2015.


  1. Instead of exiting "the losing position" why not paper trade both long and short positions and then when a certain level has been reached enter a real trade in that direction - short or long.


    :)
     
    #11     Apr 21, 2015
  2. How is that the same as going long at one price, shorting later, then exiting the short if the market keeps going up?
     
    #12     Apr 21, 2015


  3. I interpreted your post as entering a long and short position at the same time (simultaneously), then closing the losing leg and let the winner run. Is that what you had in mind?

    If so there is no reason to enter that trade at all. Why not just enter a short OR long position at a certain point below OR above the current level? Keep note of where that entry could be (paper trade), then enter either a long OR short position.

    :)
     
    #13     Apr 21, 2015
  4. Ok, here's an example from today...

    1) Say today I wanted to short the red arrow.
    2) Then I wanted to long at the green.
    3) The green long was wrong, hence I'd exit it.
    4) Short still open.
     
    #14     Apr 21, 2015
  5. Today is another example...

    No one has an answer to how to do this? I guess I'll just fund another futures account?

    The main point is executing 2 different trades at different times, and scratching the loser. I don't want to have to mess with the winning position.
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2015
    #15     Apr 23, 2015
  6. xandman

    xandman

    Buy put and a call options. Your long gamma and volatility. Close the loosing position when there is a breakout.

    If you buy short term options, most of your loss will be in the move so execution is not that critical. However, you can also have stops in place by calculating the option price before the move by using an options calculator.
     
    #16     Apr 23, 2015
  7. Ok, so that makes sense, but how do I pick the strike if I don't know where price will go...?

    I don't have to do that trading futures!
     
    #17     Apr 23, 2015
  8. xandman

    xandman

    You are still essentially trading the underlying. You should can apply your TP and SL methods to the options based on underlying price.

    Use an options calculator to figure out the theoretical options price at a specific underlying value or just take what the option bid/ask gives you when you TP or SL is met.

    However, do understand that by having your cake and eating it by trading both sides of the market will produce an incredible drag on performance even if your strategy produces a reliable profit.
     
    #18     Apr 23, 2015