Underlyings With High vs. Low Prices -- What's the Difference?

Discussion in 'Options' started by dragonman, Nov 25, 2011.

  1. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Any descrepencies should be explained by dividends (spy is lumpy and spx is not), the extra day of optionality in spy, and any increase in funding requirements due to hedging with spy vs spx futures.

    Except the dividends, the other two factors should be small and indistinguishable to any retail level trader (and most institutional level ones).

    The dividends are real however, but they can only explain at most 60 cents/ 6 points in valuation (and that for short dated deep in the money call options).

    I think the original guy made a mistake.
     
    #21     Nov 27, 2011
  2. The biggest differnce would be European (SPX) vs. American (SPY).

    Dividends affect calls and puts in opposite directions. Roughly nets out overall.

    The extra half day in the SPY can definitely be a factor, especially in the last week before expiry.

    Cash vs shares settlement can be a factor in some names, but not SPX/SPY to my knowledge.
     
    #22     Nov 27, 2011
  3. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    American vs European shouldn't matter too much in reality. Because the optionality of American can only really matter in DITM calls before dividends (only 4x a year and they happen to be on expiry days anyway) and DITM puts which are really a funding issue (and funding right now is really cheap).

    Cash vs stock settlement would only matter in so far as funding costs go up for SPY. However, I doubt this is even a real issue as rates are so low.3
     
    #23     Nov 27, 2011
  4. The tick granularity can make things interesting from a spread capture perspective, if you're into that kind of thing.
     
    #24     Nov 27, 2011
  5. bc1

    bc1

    Ok guys. I just checked the 117-118 spy call spread which is .53 and the 1170-1180 spx call spread is 5.30 for DecWK1. That's 10 to 1 like you say. But right now the premiums are static.

    The times I'm thinking of were the last two Friday mornings, about mid morning, when I was comparing them on the last day of the weekly expiration. This was during some volatile trading times. I'll watch it and post back if I can come up with something of a great disparity.

    I do pull my figures when looking at spreads from the "last" column of the options chain. Also seems like lately when looking at the NTM calls and puts, there will be one in the last column about a dollar off from what it should be by looking at the bid and ask columns. I assume it is from an older sale.
     
    #25     Nov 28, 2011
  6. Is there any semi-convenient widely-accepted formalization of this stuff in the equity mkt? Something like the SABR beta that everyone is so attached to in the world of rates? Just curious, is all...
     
    #26     Nov 28, 2011