UK trader arrested for May 2010 U.S. Stock market flash crash

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by just21, Apr 21, 2015.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    A recent article on Igor Oystacher...

    The Man Accused of Spoofing Some of the World's Biggest Futures Exchanges
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-igor-oystacher-a-spoofer-he-was-known-as-990
     
    #581     Oct 20, 2015
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  2. #582     Oct 21, 2015
  3. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    No, he wasn't...

    1. You don't write 100 emails drawing attention to you, specially complaining about something that makes you money.
    2. Once you are officially warned not to do something, you change your operation, not telling them to kiss your ass.
    3. You don't keep all your money in one place.
    4. You should have at least a lousy 100K under the mattress, just in case.... Like for bail or running away...
    5. You can spread your wealth around family members so it can be later unaccessable to authorities.

    So a shrew fox, he certainly wasn't...
     
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    #583     Oct 22, 2015
  4. Yeah Pek, I hear you and he did make some mistakes.
    I don't think all 5 of your claims are true...especially #3 and #4.
    The original bail would have required him to keep $5 million under his mattress.....
    not practical. And Nav did have his money in more than one place....and he even had a separate fund with a different manager.
     
    #584     Oct 22, 2015
  5. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    #3. He couldn't even come up with the reduced 50K bail. And again, it isn't just for bail but for disappearing or legal defense or hookers. Nobody should go to jail as a virgin..

    #4. My point was keeping the money under different jurisdictions just in case. I think most of his money is in the Swiss account and he had a 2-3 million investment in some kind of gaming company... Hell, even gold under the tree would have been harder to find...

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    Now going back to the Russian-American guy, first he actually enjoyed the fruit of his effort, second, so far he only got fines, what is nothing more than the cost of doing business. 700K fine for a 10 million year profit? Peanuts...
    I think it was actually the company fined, not personally him, so even better...

    So if we are talking about shrewed, so far he is the one, although that could change. I am sure he will end up in Russia, if it comes to prison terms...
     
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    #585     Oct 22, 2015
  6. Maybe he and Nav should join forces and scadaddle together to Russia ;)
     
    #586     Oct 22, 2015
  7. just21

    just21

    #587     Oct 23, 2015
  8. re: "Sarao's team are looking to block extradition on the grounds that the U.S. charges would not be offences under English law, and if they are, that he should be tried in Britain. "

    IMHO I think this is a weak defense as he was operating on American exchanges....and he was a MEMBER of the CME.

    Instead of wasting time on this, he should be submitting subpoenas to the CME Group for their data on the day of the flash crash.
    From this data, he could prove that Nav was not the only one submitting and then cancelling orders to spoof the market.
     
    #588     Oct 23, 2015
  9. londonkid

    londonkid

    A defence of 'everyone else was doing it' is unfortunately not a defence. Although there were likely other spoofers in the market what Sarao was doing was systematic and automated. It also happened after several direct warnings.
     
    #589     Oct 23, 2015
  10. just21

    just21

    #590     Jan 27, 2016