UK trader arrested for May 2010 U.S. Stock market flash crash

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by just21, Apr 21, 2015.

  1. Yep, they really made it impossible for him to get out of jail....it's catch-22.
    I wonder why he can't have an associate or attorney in the islands extract the funds.
    Surely, they don't have EVERY ONE of his accounts frozen. Hopefully, he used a second name like a shell corporation for some of the offshore accounts.
    That's what I would have done. If he didn't do that or wasn't counseled to do that, then I wonder if Nav is all that smart or shrewd.
     
    #371     May 6, 2015
  2. vanv0029

    vanv0029

    Lets use Sarao's method. I am not sure where to post this on ET. I think the US prosecutors are being
    insensitive in the same way they contributed to Aaron Schwatz's suicide for downloading MIT library
    material (probably legal).

    I think Sarao is pretty smart because he figured out a way to confuse HFT front running programs
    by modifying an off the shelf order/cancel program that allowed him to use his unusual concentration skills and very high mouse click rate skills to trade better than co-located algorithms.
    I think
    Sarao's skill comes from growing up "on the wrong side of the tracks." Namely, under the London
    Heathrow (LHR) flight path.

    For me, I am at the bottom end of the 10 second mouse click rate test. Still, I have been trying to put
    in lots of orders that I think don't lose money and then randomly (in my mind) cancelling. Also,
    using lots of short term targets that seemingly are never quite but almost reached in stocks.

    Idea is to trade totally irrationally in the human sense around what ones thinks are good orders, i.e. enter orders and targets and cancel and re-enter targets in an illogical manner with a lot of people doing
    this at slow human speed.

    Maybe we all need to do this until a fairer system for trading is established.

    There is some theoretical backgroind for this in Peter Naui's anti-formalism
    2005 Turing Award lectiure.
     
    #372     May 7, 2015
  3. luisHK

    luisHK

    How do you get someone a power of attorney to wire money out of a offshore account, especially if you are in jail ? Banks are usually not very keen on letting funds out, I don't see them making that easy.
    Also having the funds under a corporation is not necessarily enough to avoid the freeze, if Sarao has been identified as the beneficial holder.
     
    #373     May 7, 2015
  4. Once again, if he was really smart, it would have been in the name of a relative, etc.
    In addition, how can the authorities search for his name ? Visit every bank n the Cayman's ?
     
    #374     May 7, 2015
  5. luisHK

    luisHK

    I didn't claim they've identified all companies he is controlling, he might well have a bunch of millions stashed away.
    As of keeping the money in someone's else name, it is not without issues, trust beeing a major one, but not only.
    It sure looks like he's in a precarious position - I'm shocked at UK treating one of its own citizens that way in matter of overseas white collar crime
     
    #375     May 7, 2015
  6. Agreed, but the reason is likely due to all of the evidence presented by the whistleblower....and of course, the millions of dollars involved....and finally the claims that his activity was "illegal".

    The whistleblower was key in taking Nav down. We'll likely never know who that person is.
     
    #376     May 7, 2015
  7. i am hoping another whistle blower will step forward and whistle on the previous whistle blower. Leak leaker or grass grassing another grass.. We are entering exciting times.. soon Ecuador will use their whole gdp on converting their building into high rise hotel for cock blo.. oops sorry. Whistleblowers..
     
    #377     May 8, 2015
  8. Careful....remember a whistleblower was required to take Bernie Madoff down.....the US government definitely could not do it.
     
    #378     May 8, 2015
  9. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    Is he not the academic from Berkeley? It was in articles in the first days of his arrest... Perhaps Nav's money was not as merited as an other trader, but I prefer seeing it on his account than on the one of a F... Whistleblower.
     
    #379     May 8, 2015
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  10. southall

    southall

    #380     May 8, 2015