Mav88 was trying to make a correlation between the handgun ban in 1997 and the crime spike thereafter but for reasons I have mentioned in previous posts and the simple fact that crime spiked before in 1992 there is no logical correlation. The comparisons between the US and other states gun laws and crime stats is nothing more than a distraction for both pro and anti gun groups.
blackhand society , serbian assassinaion of archduke Ferdinand sparked WWI, hitler was a member . yeah that group.
what the hell you talking about, I called it a gun control experiment, now because you don't like the results you claim it is idealogy and some sort of statisical aberration. The fact is liberal idealogy says less guns equals less guns crime, period, with no claims whatsoever as to the absolute starting levels. The facts remain as they are, you don't like them so you obfuscate and make up unsubstantiated hypothesis. I repeat another inconvenient fact for you about UK gun control http://www.saf.org/journal/16/guncontrolinengland.pdf I'm sure you will wave your hand, come up with some half baked hypothesis and satisfy yourself.
Look, if you refuse to read then I'm gonna call you what you are- willfully retarded. I said HANDGUN CRIME ONLY when referring to handguns. Secondly, it does not matter if there was a crime spike, IN FACT it supports my assertion that crime is independent of guns, if you wanna argue that way about gun control. Did you catch yourself? You just made an excuse for the lack of effectiveness of gun control. Liberal idealology says that no matter what, less guns equals less gun crime, crime spikes are irrelevant to that claim. You just made an exception, ooops, so how many more are there?
In other words gun control would work if were turned into one massive police state, and on that I agree. Gun control worked just fine in the soviet union and nazi germany.
The US Medical profession is about that stupid. They see that cholesterol is associated with heart disease so they spend billions and ruin millions of people with Statin drugs and heart disease gets worse... They see that weak bones are lacking calcium so they supplement calcium and the bones get weaker yet.. but they keep on doing it! Guns are used to deter crimes!
About 2.5 million times a year to be exact. Almost 500,000 of those are to prevent home invasions. 92% of the time the armed citizen never even fires a shot, they merely brandish their weapon.
Its not in any shape or form an experiment and there are no results other than your own fallacious conjecture. Joyce Malcom is a history professor yet she is completely unaware that a state called England has not existed since 1707 and what she has roped together is a cut and paste conjecture which is not in the least bit scholarly. Nope I will let you come up with something. Now entertain me.
You first post was smorgasbord of conflicting opinions and pasted links and you even conferred your own opinion that both the US and UK have separate cultural identities. You may not have picked up on this as yet but I do not have an argument on gun control just a dislike of wild assumptions. Maybe pro 2nd folks should internalize their argument rather than pursue the distractions of whats happening on distant shores.