TWTR <-- Dead Meat

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by kmiklas, Jan 11, 2021.

  1. ph1l

    ph1l

    They certainly tried, but ...
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...russians-changed-vote-tallies-2016/592978002/
     
    #111     Jan 13, 2021
  2. ET180

    ET180

    I've never heard of Goya or the incident you described, but was that Goya's fault? Did Goya ask him for a public endorsement?

    Speculation. Was it 15%, 25%, 35%? What's the number? I only use Twitter to follow a few people in the financial world. I rarely saw any tweet about Trump unless it was related to policy.

    Occam's Razor would be they silenced him because it was the popular thing to do and they don't want to seem him get power because he would likely use it against them.

    Even if you believe everything in the Mueller Report, to state as Nancy Pelosi did that it changed the outcome of the election is total speculation and therefore by definition, a disputed claim. Even if you believe the accusations, there's no way to prove that it influenced enough people to change the result. I assume Russia, China, Iran, and several other countries are doing everything they can to interfere with US elections and will continue to do so in the future. That should be no surprise. But it certainly would not have been enough to change the outcome of the election...certainly not enough to overpower the relentless attacks (really campaign contributions) from MSM, FB, and Twitter including shadow-banning and de-platforming. And if you think about it, if Russia could change the result of a US election...what does that say about the US voter? How much faith could you possibly have in Democracy if some nation with a small GDP can change the outcome of a US election. Although, to be honest, I don't have a high opinion of Democracy anyway...to quote someone else here, it's like asking two wolves and a sheep to vote on what to have for dinner.
     
    #112     Jan 13, 2021
  3. Sig

    Sig

    So I know you understand that changing vote tallies is only one of dozens of ways a foreign power can attempt to manipulate an election. There was pretty much never a serious assertion that Russia changed vote tallies. There was pretty definitive proof that they manipulated the election through disinformation, hacking and releasing confidential information, and providing information directly to the Trump campaign. And you know this. Again, why would you think that being purposely obtuse is a good look?
     
    #113     Jan 14, 2021
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  4. Sig

    Sig

    Your (probably purposely) missing my point entirely, which is that people stop using or don't start using companies if they feel they are supporting something egregious. It's the whole concept of branding, something those of us who own businesses spend a lot of time on.

    How many people does that represent? Like most things in business there's ambiguity in that but certainly Twitter has a better idea than we would. Given that companies spend millions to build and maintain their brand, something that damages it is pretty important. Prior to kicking Trump off the number of subscribers, and more importantly as I've kept saying the amount of revenue, they'll lose from that move is also unknown versus the damage from keeping him on. Big boy business world, you work with a bunch of unknowns, do your best to predict outcomes knowing your predictions are going to be inexact and often wrong.

    This might turn out to be the wrong decision, but is an eminently reasonable decision based on purely a business view of the world, which is all I'm pointing out. If you refuse to even acknowledge that there's a legitimate business reason for them doing what they did, then you're not being rational and are clearly seeing the world through a hyper partisan lense where no matter what it's all about this massive persecution complex.
    Wait, you don't believe substantive parts of the Mueller report? What parts would those be and on what basis?

    Frankly I was surprised that the highest levels of the Trump campaign met with known Russian agents in order to get dirt on their opponent....and you should be too! Before Trump, that would have been unthinkable. I see you trying out this idea that "Russia has a small GDP and U.S. adversaries try to interfere with elections anyway, so it's no big deal that Trump embraced it". Sorry, that's just monumentally stupid.

    Let's be clear, you're equating Pelosi accurately stating that Russia interfered in the 2016 election after a federal investigation confirmed it, with Trump claiming there was massive voter fraud in the 2020 election after his own attorney general investigated and said there wasn't and more than 60 courts rejected the assertion...which then led to right wing terrorists attacking the capitol while the actual electoral votes were being counted in an attempt to overthrow the results! If that's not whataboutism at its finest I don't know what is!
     
    #114     Jan 14, 2021
  5. Sig

    Sig

    You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. First I asked you for the average age of the senators of both parties. You knew that would show that they're all a bunch of old fucks so you cherry picked not just the house but a subset of the house. So, still waiting for you to respond to the question I actually posed rather than the question you decided to answer instead.

    I'd also be interested in seeing where I specifically said you criticized Obama for being young? It's highly likely you weren't old enough to vote when Obama was elected, heck there's a decent chance that you're still not old enough to vote. That doesn't mean you can't contribute to this conversation. But sadly unless you've studied it extensively (and it's clear you haven't), you really need to stay out of discussion about the zeitgeist at a time before you were really aware of politics. You really just can't get it.
     
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    #115     Jan 14, 2021
  6. zghorner

    zghorner

    Glock and CZ are both better than Sig.
     
    #116     Jan 14, 2021
  7. Sig

    Sig

    Not them's fight'n words:D

    Actually the nick comes from something else, but my P220 is my favorite.
     
    #117     Jan 14, 2021
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  8. kmiklas

    kmiklas

  9. Overnight

    Overnight

    #119     Jan 14, 2021
  10. ph1l

    ph1l

    Yes, the Russian government, other governments (U.S. included), and of course political parties continually put out misinformation. But with an election featuring two extremely polarizing people (Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump), political lies are unlikely to change who voters chose.
     
    #120     Jan 14, 2021