Turtle Trading... Thoughts?

Discussion in 'Strategy Development' started by cfree5119, Oct 31, 2011.

  1. Wanted to get everyone's take on the turtle trading system and their successes or failures under this given strategy? I am at a point where I am confused as to what type of strategy I would like to pursue at this point of my trading education.
  2. One site sponsor is thought to be an expert on the Turtles, and has several threads you can browse.
  3. Will check it out... thank you.
  4. lv_buy


    Let me share my experience with the turtle trading method.

    I had backtested the turtle trading rules on currencies data. Below are my findings.

    If you can follow the rules systematically over a reasonable period of time, you will be profitable. The rules work best or works only when there is a sustainable trend. The method performs badly when the price whips-saw or there is no definite trend.

    On average, out of every 10 trades, you can only expect 3 or 4 trades to make the gains. In other words, the 3 or 4 winning trades are going to cover all the losses on the 6 to 7 trades plus profits. Do not expect a high percentage of winning trades using the turtle method.

    The turtle method is profitable if you have the patience, adopt a reasonable long time frame and put a trade for every signal that comes along (the moment you get selective, you could miss a trade that is winning). The turtle method is good if you use it on mutiple instruments. In my back-test, I tested it on the 4 major pairs.

    What i found for the turtle method is also true for any other trend-following methods. The method is secondary. The key is to adopt a systematic approach with pre-defined stop-loss and take-profit tragets.
  5. ronblack


    Do you know how the system really works, or just read about how people think it works?
  6. Samsara


    I see the rules and an explanation of their history were released on the net for free. Visaria uploaded them in the past <a href="https://www.bsp-capital.com/documents/turtlerules.pdf">here</a>.
  7. I am about to pick up the book and read it so I don't have any preconceived notions about the real system. Wanted some insights from people about its validity.
  8. Trend Following

    Trend Following ET Sponsor

    Turtle trading is more than just rules. I chronicle that *more* and the rules here.
  9. Also read this about trend following. Very informative.
  10. Samsara


    I've often doubted your credibility, based partly on your recalcitrant demeanor and a somewhat slapdash reading comprehension, but I have to admit my assumptions about your expertise have often been wrong. Reluctant praise, hard to deliver.

    This in particular is insightful:

    it is not true in general that trend-following systems require lower win rate than short-term or intraday systems. That they require a lower win rate is based on the assumption that future trends will have at least the same magnitude on the average as past ones and the volatility of the market will remain about the same. We recall that in the period 2007 - 2009 there were several failures of trend-following systems although trends were there but the market volatility was too high. Many more losing trades during sideways volatile markets means that the value of R drops and the demand for a higher win rate w increases. Also, during periods that trends have smaller magnitudes, the value of R decreases, causing a demand for higher w. But, increasing the win rate w is not always easy, especially when volatility is high.
    #10     Nov 1, 2011