Many months ago I have purchased the turtle system from an ad in "Stocks and Commodities", while I regret paying about a grand for something of a pamphlet. I found many of it's ideas interesting. I am thinking of moving my activities over to futures and it in longer term trend following system trading. Any of you (aside from mr tharp) follows the turtle trading. Interestingly I have signed an agreement ;-) never to divulge the system ;-) to anyone, but I suspect rtharp has the similar trading methods for stocks. Long term trend following systems work in a few commodities (not all) and I wonder if anyone here trades long term systems ???