Turn the caravan around — the US is not a dumping ground

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Poindexter, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. The point is this type of nationalism came in waves. However that brown invading the white argument is from a different time.

    We have crispr gene editing so you can have any genetic traits you want in a kid (but only the rich can have more than 1.x soon) the planet is kinda running into trouble and artificial intelligence is coming. When the singularity occurs, human history is going to be altered in ways literally unimaginable as we create God with a small g.

    So be distracted by Trump bringing the 1850s, 1899s, and so on back. Sure. The Titanic's deckchairs are the important thing right now.
     
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    #31     Oct 30, 2018
  2. Trump best not cave on this. And he can't leave any room for excuses... like, "The border was overwhelmed, so they got in anyway." If he fails on this, no 2nd term!
     
    #32     Oct 30, 2018
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  3. I give him two chances. One, to stop them. Or two if he has many that he has to take due to bullshit American law and then uses that as the basis to change the law after the midterms while the republicans still have a majority in the lameduck session. He can do ballsy things but American law is cutting his balls off at every step.

    The caravan types are coming because they know and have been trained to know that if they can step one foot on to american soil, then they automatically enter into a long drawn out game that favors them. They need to be stopped at the border or bounced when and where caught. For starters, Trump and some others are proposing that american law be changed such that amnesty can only be requested at legal ports of entry, so if you come in illegally through the puckerbrush, dont even bother with the amnesty game.

    The lefties have to be careful because their little drama at the border may initiate some legal changes, plus the caravan is going to arrive too late to have the crying children being separated on or before election day, so they fucked up there. it's about changing the law. Trump and Neilson have nothing new to work with so they are doomed to fail. Sure, they may repel the caravan, but shit, the equiv of that whole caravan crosses over every week at scattered points of illegal entry.

    If the dems take the house- odds are in their favor but who knows- the pubs better get their fingers our their collective arses and change the laws before January or we are permanently fucked.
     
    #33     Oct 30, 2018
  4. That needs to be stopped too. With extreme force, if necessary!
     
    #34     Oct 30, 2018
  5. Trump is not only allowed by the constitution to do that, he is required by the constitution to do that.

    He needs to put troops on the whole border, with the agreement that they will be removed when the fence for those sections is completed or other measures in place- in some places that may mean paying bounties to Apaches on horseback and if that works, that's fine. As stated before I am an outcome-oriented kind of guy. Not necessarily a gotta have a wall everywhere guy. But every section needs to have a plan and a wall-equivalent budget to work with.
     
    #35     Oct 30, 2018
  6. This will be a disaster. They need to be stopped from crossing, period. To let them in and then house them in this way will not be helpful politically or any other way. Can you imagine the shit storm the media will cause with the visuals of this. Alto MF'ers. Warning shot fired. Alto. Rubber bullets, tear gas, and concertina wire at a minimum.


    President Donald Trump said Monday on Fox News that he planned to put any members of the migrant caravan who apply for asylum into new “tent cities” that would be “all over the place,” sharpening his recent efforts to politicize the southern border ahead of next month’s midterm elections.

    “We’re catching; we’re not releasing,” Trump said in the interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham. “So if they want to come over, we’re not even doing that. We’re not letting them into this country. If they apply for asylum, we’re going to hold them until such time as their trial takes place.”

    The president said he would order the construction of tent cities that’d be “very nice.” But he said he wouldn’t spend “hundreds of millions of dollars” on “structures” to house anyone detained while awaiting the outcome of an asylum application.

    “We’re going to put tents up all over the place,” Trump said, before noting that “they’re going to wait, and, if they don’t get asylum, they’re going to get out.”
     
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    #36     Oct 30, 2018
  7. Any changes will be blocked by dems in the Senate. We have two choices here. One, we can go the "principled conservative" route, which is to wring our hands and complain, then silently accept our country being turned into a third world dumping ground. Or two, Trump can protect the border, with military force if necessary, block all asylum requests and tell the courts to fuck off. At the end if the day, no federal court can force the president to admit anyone to the country if he refuses. Some judges may have to be arrested to drive that point home.
     
    #37     Oct 30, 2018
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  8. It can be blocked by rinos and unreliable pubs. Otherwise the dems would not be able to block it. I dont think anyway. Maybe if I think about it more when I dont have as many trades on. There are parliamentary gymnastics at the committee levels for sure.
     
    #38     Oct 30, 2018
  9. Filibuster?
     
    #39     Oct 30, 2018
  10. That would take us into discussions about Harry Reid, cloture, nuclear, and so on, and some of that is being made up as we go along. But yes, as I said, their obstruction would be at the parliamentary procedure level.

    Let the games begin. Even if the dems take the house, AND THE SENATE TOO, not gonna happen, Trump still has veto power, and he has means of punishing the dems that they might not want to see- especially if/when the court allows daca to end.
     
    #40     Oct 30, 2018