Turkey taken to the woodshed!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by 377OHMS, Jun 16, 2010.

  1. As far as one can see Turkey support the population of the Strip but not the governing body and there were no weapons for Hamas on any of the ships. So far as can be seen the US still exerts considerable influence on Turkey and is confident in current military arrangements. Hamas is an irrelevance on the world stage they are really nothing more than a local issue they cannot muster even a fraction of the operational capabilities the PLO had back in the day.
     
    #11     Jun 17, 2010
  2. They support terrorist organizations? LOL!
    Actually, they did for a while. but after they witnessed for themselves the level of criminality this zionist entity could stoop to, they came back to their senses and are now cutting every relationship with it.
     
    #12     Jun 17, 2010
  3. OK, this is how the tactics go, no matter what you do, you will never be able to pin phenomena to present you with evidence that Turkey supported the only democratically elected government in the Arab world. After you fail, he was taught to come back, and in a different subject, throw the lie again, you will again try to pin him down to present evidence whereby you will fail and he will go to a third thread and do it again. He will keep on doing it until you give up and his lie becomes, through repetition, a fact!

    Watch and see!
     
    #13     Jun 17, 2010
  4. Yeah, Hamas won democratically. You know what that means then? That means that the majority of palestinians are terrorists. Their vote was cast and now we know more of them are terrorists than not terrorists.
     
    #14     Jun 17, 2010
  5. Yannis

    Yannis

    The majority at Gaza, not the West Bank. People seem to have a bit more common sense and self control there. The Palestinians are split over this "friends-of-terrorists" thing, and that's good.
     
    #15     Jun 17, 2010
  6. Yannis

    Yannis

    Letter From Istanbul
    By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
    The New York Times - June 15, 2010


    "Turkey is a country that had me at hello. I like the people, the culture, the food and, most of all, the idea of modern Turkey — the idea of a country at the hinge of Europe and the Middle East that manages to be at once modern, secular, Muslim, democratic, and has good relations with the Arabs, Israel and the West. After 9/11, I was among those hailing the Turkish model as the antidote to “Bin Ladenism.” Indeed, the last time I visited Turkey in 2005, my discussions with officials were all about Turkey’s efforts to join the European Union. That is why it is quite shocking to come back today and find Turkey’s Islamist government seemingly focused not on joining the European Union but the Arab League — no, scratch that, on joining the Hamas-Hezbollah-Iran resistance front against Israel.

    Now how did that happen?

    Wait one minute, Friedman. That is a gross exaggeration, say Turkish officials.

    You’re right. I exaggerate, but not that much. A series of vacuums that emerged in and around Turkey in the last few years have drawn Turkey’s Islamist government — led by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s Justice and Development Party — away from its balance point between East and West. This could have enormous implications. Turkey’s balancing role has been one of the most important, quiet, stabilizers in world politics. You only notice it when it is gone. Being in Istanbul convinces me that we could be on our way to losing it if all these vacuums get filled in the wrong ways.

    The first vacuum comes courtesy of the European Union. After a decade of telling the Turks that if they wanted E.U. membership they had to reform their laws, economy, minority rights and civilian-military relations — which the Erdogan government systematically did — the E.U. leadership has now said to Turkey: “Oh, you mean nobody told you? We’re a Christian club. No Muslims allowed.” The E.U.’s rejection of Turkey, a hugely bad move, has been a key factor prompting Turkey to move closer to Iran and the Arab world.

    But as Turkey started looking more South, it found another vacuum — no leadership in the Arab-Muslim world. Egypt is adrift. Saudi Arabia is asleep. Syria is too small. And Iraq is too fragile. Erdogan discovered that by taking a very hard line against Israel’s partial blockade of Hamas-led Gaza — and quietly supporting the Turkish-led flotilla to break that blockade, during which eight Turks were killed by Israel — Turkey could vastly increase its influence on the Arab street and in the Arab markets.

    Indeed, Erdogan today is the most popular leader in the Arab world. Unfortunately, it is not because he is promoting a synthesis of democracy, modernity and Islam, but because he is loudly bashing Israel over its occupation and praising Hamas instead of the more responsible Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, which is actually building the foundations of a Palestinian state.

    There is nothing wrong with criticizing Israel’s human rights abuses in the territories. Israel’s failure to apply its creativity to solving the Palestinian problem is another dangerous vacuum. But it is very troubling when Erdogan decries Israelis as killers and, at the same time, warmly receives in Ankara Sudan’s president, Omar Hassan al-Bashir, who has been indicted by the International Criminal Court on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity for his role in the bloodshed in Darfur, and while politely hosting Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose government killed and jailed thousands of Iranians demanding that their votes be counted. Erdogan defended his reception of Bashir by saying: “It’s not possible for a Muslim to commit genocide.”

    As one Turkish foreign policy analyst said to me: “We are not mediating between East and West anymore. We’ve become spokesmen for the most regressive elements in the East.”

    Finally, there is a vacuum inside Turkey. The secular opposition parties have been in disarray most of the decade, the army has been cowed by wiretaps and the press has been increasingly intimidated into self-censorship because of government pressures. In September, the Erdogan government levied a tax fine of $2.5 billion on the largest, most influential — and most critical — media conglomerate, Dogan Holdings, to bring it to heel. At the same time, Erdogan lately has spoken with increasing vitriol about Israel in his public speeches — describing Israelis as killers — to build up his domestic support. He regularly labels his critics as “Israel’s contractors” and “Tel Aviv’s lawyers.”

    Sad. Erdogan is smart, charismatic and can be very pragmatic. He’s no dictator. I’d love to see him be the most popular leader on the Arab street, but not by being more radical than the Arab radicals and by catering to Hamas, but by being more of a democracy advocate than the undemocratic Arab leaders and mediating in a balanced way between all Palestinians and Israel. That is not where Erdogan is at, though, and it’s troubling. Maybe President Obama should invite him for a weekend at Camp David to clear the air before U.S.-Turkey relations get where they’re going — over a cliff."
     
    #16     Jun 17, 2010
  7. There was weapons for Hamas. There was firebombs, knives (not the culinary kind), etc.

    Some were the ones which the "peace activists" attacked Israeli coast gaurd with before they even hit the deck.

    Also, the PLO was another terrorist organization. Hamas has far more power than the PLO did "back in the day".

    It's really obvious you are more or less clueless about this topic, so why trying to act otherwise?

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177779


    ‘We want blockade lifted, but Hamas must end Gaza coup.’
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    The Palestinian Authority is concerned about Turkey’s increased support for Hamas, a PA official in Ramallah said on Monday.

    The official said that the PA leadership was “unhappy” with Turkey’s policy toward Hamas, especially with regard to pressure to lift the blockade on the Gaza Strip unconditionally.

    “Turkey’s policy is emboldening Hamas and undermining the Palestinian Authority,” the official told The Jerusalem Post.

    “Of course we want to see the blockade lifted, but Hamas must also end its coup in the Gaza Strip and accept an Egyptian proposal for achieving reconciliation with Fatah.”

     
    #17     Jun 17, 2010
  8. Haha, teeth is kinda quiet now...
     
    #19     Jun 17, 2010
  9. Wow! I never knew that the guy who entertains himself for more than 15 minutes with a fly swatter could be that funny!
     
    #20     Jun 18, 2010