Trying To Sell 19 Year Annuity At Discount...any Ideas?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by WECpoker, Sep 18, 2009.

  1. WECpoker

    WECpoker

     
    #21     Sep 18, 2009
  2. WECpoker

    WECpoker


    LOL..these guys make some nice money. Prolly why most lotteries now give their own Lump Sum option so these outfits dont rape the winners. I mean, it is their right--do what you have to in order to make good returns.
     
    #22     Sep 18, 2009
  3. WECpoker

    WECpoker

    Yeah...Genworth had some issues from underlying Mortgage Loans I think it was (well some issue anyway that I researched at the time and memory is fading on it), that drove stock to $1+, but they seemed to explain it well at the time, and they are spin off of General Electric..so I dont think they would go down. They were a great stock play in Nov, March. Stock closed at $13 today so I like them. I also invested some in them late 2008 early 2009...I think they will be around.
     
    #23     Sep 18, 2009
  4. WECpoker

    WECpoker

    All good points..of course this is no US Treasury..but still you are looking at 30 YEAR rates at 4.17%. While there are certainly other factors at work- the professionals arent buying into your theory 100% yet or these rates would be much higher already. It is obvious that you may have to watch for higher rates..but is by no means a certainty or foregone conclusion.
     
    #24     Sep 18, 2009
  5. zdreg

    zdreg

    as the existence of this thread proves what extra return is necessary for an instrument which has little liquidity ?
     
    #25     Sep 18, 2009
  6. Google "note buyers", find a board and post all the details of your annuity and let people bid for your note, or put a fixed price in and see what kind of offers you get.


    I would personally be surprised if you got offered more than 65k from a professional.

    But if i were you, i would put an ad in the paper. (first off, I did a simple calculation and im guessing your interest rate on that annuity is a little over 5% right?) If i was looking to sell it quick, I would try to sell it for $74,250. That gives the buyer a nice 12% interest rate on the annuity. I'm sure you could try a better price though as you might get an inexperienced person to buy it. For example $82,800 would give them a 10% return, $93,350 would give 8% and so on.

    The professional note buyers are trying to get an interest rate of usually a min of 15% to 50% interest. Thats why the 30k-50k offers (which is a 21%-43% interest rate)
     
    #26     Sep 18, 2009
  7. Better note the range, WEC; It's spot on.
     
    #27     Sep 18, 2009
  8. The Lump Sum option on lotteries pays approx. 50% of the stated prize amount. It's true that there annuities are 25 yrs. not 19. I wouldn't expect to pay more than 60% of the total annuity amount.
     
    #28     Sep 18, 2009
  9. WECpoker

    WECpoker


    Thank you for your imput
     
    #29     Sep 19, 2009
  10. WECpoker

    WECpoker

    60% of the annuity amount?

    SOLD

    Annuity Face Value Currently is $171,000 (payment streams)
     
    #30     Sep 19, 2009