Trumps plan discussion...

Discussion in 'Economics' started by TrAndy2022, Mar 3, 2025.

  1. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    (AXIOS)

    1 big thing: The market fears a recession
    By Felix Salmon

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    Data: Polymarket. Chart: Axios Visuals

    Donald Trump famously believes that "trade wars are good, and easy to win," as he tweeted in 2018. The market, however, believes the opposite: That a trade war is bad, is easy to lose, and could plunge the U.S. into an avoidable recession.

    Why it matters: Trump 1.0 listened to the market. Trump 2.0 is very different.

    • Traders are no longer convinced they can rely on the "Trump put," the idea that the president will reverse course on policies the market doesn't like.
    What they're saying: The clearest articulation of the Trump administration's attitude to the market came from Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent.

    • "Wall Street's done great," he said Tuesday, "but we have a focus on small business and the consumers. So we are going to rebalance the economy."
    Between the lines: Bessent singled out "the level of the 10-year bond" as "one of the biggest wins for the American people."

    • A former macro hedge fund manager, Bessent knows the decline in long-term interest rates is a function of pessimism about future growth, and expectations that the Fed is going to have to keep rates low to stimulate employment.
    By the numbers: On February 11, the market put just a 1% probability on the Fed cutting rates four times this year, assuming each cut is 25 basis points.

    • Today, the probability of at least four cuts has risen to 30%, while the probability of three or more rate cuts has ballooned to 62%.
    • Given the stubbornness of inflation, which is likely to become even more stubborn as higher tariffs start to bite, the only reason for the Fed to cut that many times would be a significant economic slowdown, or perhaps even a recession.
    The big picture: There is "a new reality of higher domestic prices and weaker growth, owing to Trump's tariff measures," George Vessey, the lead macro strategist at Convera, wrote in a note.

    • That is causing the dollar to weaken, the opposite of what should happen when tariffs rise, according to textbook economics.
    • It's true that all things equal, U.S. tariffs should cause the dollar to strengthen, as fewer dollars get sold to pay for imports.
    • But these tariffs are so big, and so potentially damaging to the U.S. economy, that — according to foreign exchange markets — domestic macroeconomic effects are likely to dwarf the effects of capital flows.
    The bottom line: As we here at Axios Markets love to remind you, the stock market is not the economy, especially when it's dominated by megacap tech companies.

    • But there are many other indicators of where the markets think the economy is headed, and all of them are flashing "very worried."
     
    #21     Mar 6, 2025
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  2. Real Money

    Real Money

    The plan is corporate tax cuts. It's always been tax cuts.
     
    #22     Mar 6, 2025
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  3. trismes

    trismes

    Bannon's plan for Trump was to move at speed, create drama and flood the media:
    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/i...p-over-media-meltdown-at-start-of-trump-term/

    Tax cuts sure, reorganise govt, remove DEI et al, but there's one other thing that's consistent.

    All the other tariffs all look like a show for the real target - China. Interesting that for all the bluster, Biden didn't remove the Chinese tariffs in Trump 1 but actually expanded them. Trump 2 even further

    All that talk of taking over Canada is clearly not on the cards but it sends a message. If USA could do this to one of their friends, imagine what they could do to their enemies.

    Ukraine. Befriend Russia and split the China-Russia alliance. Plus China has a near monopoly on rare earth elements, Ukraine has potential and he's effectively strong-armed Zlensky into making a deal any day now.

    Speculative connections of course but I suspect there's something in it.
     
    #23     Mar 6, 2025