Trump's national security adviser Flynn resigns

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  1. The CIA Really Is Out to Get General Flynn
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    By David P. Goldman February 13, 2017

    [Update: Writing in Bloomberg News today, Eli Lake comes to a similar conclusion and adds a good deal of background in a fine piece of reporting. Flynn, he concludes, was just the appetizer: the knives are now out for President Trump. The fake news media is in a feeding frenzy, including this attack on Kellyanne Conway and this bill of indictment of the Trump Administration from the Washington Post. I don't have the facts and can't evaluate the White House decision to let Flynn go, but the practical result of the decision will be to escalate attacks on the White House, not reduce them. The Establishment is a wounded beast fighting for its life. This is a take-no-prisoners, no-quarter-asked-or-given war.]

    How come no-one is accusing NSA Director Michael Flynn of taking bribes from Turkey's dictator Recep Erdogan? Not long ago, they did. Last November 18, Commentary Magazine's Noah Rothman called Flynn a "dubious choice" for the National Security Council because his consulting company had a Turkish client, adding that Flynn’s views on Turkey raised a “conflict of interest.” Flynn had published an article in The Hill on Nov. 8 warning that America's dalliance with the messianic Turkish Islamist and alleged coup plotter Fethullah Gulen might undermine the country's relationship with NATO, at a time when Russia was giving Turkey the full-court press.

    On Dec. 2, I wrote in Asia Times that Commentary's Rothman probably was stooging for a CIA disinformation campaign against Flynn. Not only did Flynn propose to deep-six Gulen, a longstanding friend of the CIA, but he had blown the whistle on CIA incompetence in Syria. Flynn's Defense Intelligence Agency produced a now-notorious 2012 report warning that chaos in Syria's civil war enabled the rise of a new Caliphate movement, namely ISIS. For full background, see Brad Hoff's July 2016 essay in Foreign Policy Journal: Flynn humiliated the bungling CIA and exposed the incompetence and deception of the Obama administration, and got fired for it. If anyone doubts the depth of CIA incompetence in Syria, I recommend an account that appeared this month in the London Financial Times.

    In November, Flynn warned that the U.S. stood to lose its Turkish ally, to the benefit of Russia--and got attacked as a Turkish agent. That doesn't square with the current round of disinformation, which paints Flynn as pro-Russian. Flynn's detractors rely on a fake-news media which forgets the story it spun a couple of months ago when it contradicts the story it is spinning today.

    I don't know why Flynn talked to the Russian ambassador about the incoming Trump administration's prospective policy on sanctions, or what transpired in the White House regarding mis-statements that Flynn may or may not have made about such discussions. Senior officials speak to their counterparts in other countries all the time, and for obvious reasons do not want these conversations to become public. The intelligence community, though, was taping Flynn's discussions, and the transcripts (of whose existence we are told but whose contents we have not seen) were used to embarrass him.

    A couple of observations are in order.

    First, the allegation of various Democrats that Flynn violated the 1799 Logan Act is silly. No-one ever has been prosecuted under the Logan Act. It forbids U.S. citizens from communicating with foreign governments "with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States." Flynn reportedly was talking about prospective policies of an administration that would take office in a matter of days; it is absurd to construe such discussions, whatever they may have contained, as an intent to undermine disputes with the United States.

    Second, two narratives are running simultaneously in the media which appear to support each other, but actually consist of entirely independent bubbles of hot air. One is that Flynn misspoke about his contacts with the Russian ambassador, an allegation I cannot evaluate but find neither important nor interesting. The second is that the "Intelligence Community pushes back against a White House it considers leaky, untruthful and penetrated by the Kremlin," as retired intelligence officer John Schindler alleged today in The Observer. Not a single fact is presented in Schindler's account nor in several similar accounts circulating in the media. What leaks? Penetrated by whom? Sen. Joseph McCarthy could do better than that.

    Third, the CIA has gone out of its way to sandbag Flynn at the National Security Council. As Politico reports: "On Friday, one of Flynn’s closest deputies on the NSC, senior director for Africa Robin Townley, was informed that the Central Intelligence Agency had rejected his request for an elite security clearance required for service on the NSC, according to two people with direct knowledge of the situation." Townley held precisely the same security clearance at the Department of Defense for seventeen years, yet he was blackballed without explanation. At DoD, Townley had a stellar reputation as a Middle East and Africa expert, and the denial of his clearance is hard to explain except as bureaucratic backstabbing.

    Fourth, Gen. Flynn is the hardest of hardliners with respect to Russia within the Trump camp. In his 2016 book Field of Fight (co-authored with PJ Media's Michael Ledeen), Flynn warned of "an international alliance of evil movements and countries that is working to destroy us....The war is on. We face a working coalition that extends from North Korea and China to Russia, Iran, Syria, Syria, Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela and Nicaragua." The unsubstantiated allegation that he presides over a "leaky" National Security Council tilting towards Russia makes no sense. The only leaks of which we know are politically motivated reports coming from the intelligence community designed to disrupt the normal workings of a democratic government--something that raises grave constitutional issues.

    Flynn is the one senior U.S. intelligence officer with the guts to blow the whistle on a series of catastrophic intelligence and operational failures. The available facts point to the conclusion that elements of the humiliated (and perhaps soon-to-be-unemployed) intelligence community is trying to exact vengeance against a principled and patriotic officer. When the Turkish smear against Flynn came out in November, I smelled a rat. The present affair stinks like a dumpster full of dead rats.


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    #21     Feb 14, 2017
  2. achilles28

    achilles28

    All I'm gunna say is this bro

    The gloves are coming off


    Trump will swing the hammer too ....
     
    #22     Feb 14, 2017
  3. Virginia Dare‏@vdare 57m57 minutes ago



    Meanwhile, Saudis literally funding practically every Islamic terrorist movement we face. What does CIA do? Give them an award.
     
    #23     Feb 14, 2017
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    #24     Feb 14, 2017
    1. [​IMG]Virginia Dare‏@vdare 1h1 hour ago

    1. Virginia Dare Retweeted The Hill
    2. Rather see an "exhaustive" investigation into Saudi connections with American political figures. But we won't.https://twitter.com/thehill/status/831568718144618497…
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      The Hill @thehill
      GOP senator calls for "exhaustive" investigation into Trump-Russia connections http://hill.cm/uVxjJ7R pic.twitter.com/xrMCgfatOF
    1. [​IMG]Virginia Dare‏@vdare 1h1 hour ago
    1. And this doesn't mean Putin/Russia is somehow great. But Russia far less of a threat to the West than mass Third World immigration.

    1. [​IMG]Virginia Dare‏@vdare 1h1 hour ago
    1. California is practically lost but "conservatives" are screaming we need to die to get Russia out of Crimea. It's like living in an asylum.

    1. [​IMG]Virginia Dare‏@vdare 1h1 hour ago

    1. Will never be able to get over how the same people demanding force against Russia absolutely refuse to defend America's own borders.
    1. [​IMG]Virginia Dare‏@vdare 1h1 hour ago

    1. Expected everything in the Trump Administration so far except how desperately Deep State, GOPe and media want war with Russia.
     
    #25     Feb 14, 2017
  5. BonScott

    BonScott

    Shouldn't the Trump administration be aware that they have enemies by now?
    This guy was supposed to be a high ranking general. Does he always assume that his enemies are good guys, and will do him no harm?
    He knows that the intelligence services have access to everything, everyone does, and he knows that they may be against Trump. So just stay clean until power is transferred.
    It seems like a good soldier has taken and unnecessary bullet by sticking his head up to soon.
     
    #26     Feb 14, 2017
  6. jem

    jem

    so is our intelligence community led by a bunch of patriots or a scary bunch of corrupt son of bitches trying to hold on to their jobs or sell us out to new world order people? I always assumed it was the former but now I wonder if the leaders have become too political? I don't know, but I am not sure I like what I am seeing.

    Was flynn a bad guy and they are the good guys?
    It an absolute shame we can't trust the 4th estate to get to the bottom of this.
    This really sucks.

    I am quite concerned that I really can't tell which?
    Flynn quite rightly tried to ease tensions with the Soviets over Obama's provocations.
    Why did they want to take him down so badly?
    Can't we all see there is no reason to go to war or be in a constant cold war with Russia.
    We played that game... its sucked for everyone.
    I thought the point of diplomacy was to work with other countries to avoid war?
     
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    #27     Feb 14, 2017
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  7. So this is diplomacy in action, but Flynn having a bullshit conversation with the ambassador is high treason. Once again the feigned outrage only displays the hypocrisy of the left.
     
    #28     Feb 14, 2017
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    #29     Feb 14, 2017
  9. He was president at the time. He was not secretly talking about subverting the current president's actions. Because he was president at the time. (Just in case you missed it.)
     
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    #30     Feb 14, 2017