That is bullshit... you can not and do not know the number of breakthough infections. You are such a fucking liar. You only know those who tested positive and were reported to the CDC. 2. With natural immunity being at least 7 times superior to fully vaxxed immunity... your vax stats do not show how well the vaccines are doing on their own. you would actually need to have a control group and a proper study to draw scientifically useful conclusions.
GWB thinks vaccines will protect you. Good luck with that pipe dream. We already knew these so called vaccines gave only limited protection for a short period of time. Now, Moderna confirms what people already know. When does the lies end? All to sell people more of their worthless vaccines? Now, you need booster shots? Get your booster shots GWB and other ET trolls. Your extreme liberal master, Joe Biden commands you. https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/moderna-says-covid-19-vaccine-200000112.html
There are many governments worldwide tracking all breakthrough Covid cases. Go look at their data if you don't like the CDC. You are making assumptions about breakthrough infections not being reported. Yet you have no proof of your assertions. You claims about "7 times superior to fully vaxxed immunity" is based on one non-peer reviewed pre-print study out of Israel on a limited set of people. The study actually concluded the best immunity is for at least one dose of the vaccine after getting infected -- a reality that you chose to ignore. In the meantime there are many studies from respected sources showing that the unvaccinated are much more likely to be reinfected. Go read the CDC study which I re-posted again today for your consumption and enlightenment.
The Isreali data is the same data being used by your team to suggest boosters for the old and high risk. It is the best data set we have... you are piece of shit anti science moron for denigrating the best data we have at the moment just because parts of it goes against you.
Actually the Israeli study is just one data point of many. The reality is boosters are needed for people whose antibody immunity has faded and therefore no longer provides sufficient protection against reinfection. These are typically immunocompromised people and the elderly. It is not necessarily younger people with comordities with diabetes, etc. -- who may still have robust antibody immunity from their original vaccinations. And this is supported by many other studies from around the world including from the U.K., etc. We will see what decision the FDA/CDC comes to regarding booster vaccinations.
wow you must have gotten a memo to start acknowledging reality from the higher ups. I wonder what data is about to get published... or is feared by your higher ups.. I have seen post about 2 or 3 things today that were not slanted or lies. That massively exceeds your ration of lies and bullshit to truth per day during this pandemic. Implicitly you just agreed that we should examine the data and treat the high risk differently. Finally... you lying fuck...
It is, and always has been, about likelihoods--not absolute certainties. This should be obvious; especially to "traders" or anyone who has ever seen a weather forecast. If you are vaccinated, the likelihood that you will be infected is decreased. If you are only surrounded by others who are vaccinated, the likelihood that you will be infected decreases further. Distance decreases likelihoods. Crowd avoidance decreases likelihoods. Face coverings decrease likelihoods. Proper hygiene decreases likelihoods. But being surrounded by the unvaccinated increases likelihoods; when compared to being surrounded by the vaccinated. It's not complicated.
Some information from yesterday showing the FDA staff is not taking a stance on Pfizer booster after reviewing conflicting data many sources -- they are looking well beyond data only from Israel. It also should be noted they have not verified all the available data which means that some studies will require in-depth information to be submitted for scientific consideration in any decision-making process. FDA staff declines to take stance on Pfizer’s Covid vaccine booster shots, citing lack of verified data https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/15/cov...third-doses-citing-lack-of-verified-data.html The FDA staff declined to take a stance on whether to back booster shots of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine, saying U.S. regulators haven’t verified all the available data. “Overall, data indicate that currently US-licensed or authorized COVID-19 vaccines still afford protection against severe COVID-19 disease and death in the United States,” they wrote in a 23-page document. The staff report is meant to brief the FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, which meets Friday to review Pfizer’s request to approve Covid booster doses for the general public. The staff of the Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday declined to take a stance on whether to back booster shots of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine, saying U.S. regulators haven’t verified all the available data. “There are many potentially relevant studies, but FDA has not independently reviewed or verified the underlying data or their conclusions,” they wrote in a 23-page document published on the agency’s website. “Some of these studies, including data from the vaccination program in Israel, will be summarized during the September 17, 2021 VRBPAC meeting.” The staff said some observational studies have suggested declining efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine over time against symptomatic infection or against the delta variant, while others have not. “Overall, data indicate that currently US-licensed or authorized COVID-19 vaccines still afford protection against severe COVID-19 disease and death in the United States,” they wrote. The data the FDA is looking at includes efficacy numbers out of Israel, where researchers there have released observational studies showing the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against infection waned over time. In separate documents released Wednesday, Pfizer argued a third dose of the Covid vaccine six months after a second shot restores protection from infection to 95%. FDA staff appeared to take a skeptical tone on the data, as observational studies don’t adhere to the same standards as formal clinical trials. “It should be recognized that while observational studies can enable understanding of real-world effectiveness, there are known and unknown biases that can affect their reliability,” agency staff said. “Furthermore, US-based studies of post-authorization effectiveness of BNT162b2 may most accurately represent vaccine effectiveness in the US population.” The staff report is meant to brief the FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, which meets Friday to review Pfizer’s request to approve Covid booster doses for the general public. The documents published offer a glimpse of the agency’s view on third shots. The Biden administration has said it wants to begin offering booster shots to the general public as early as next week, pending authorization from the FDA. The move is part of President Joe Biden’s broader plan to confront a higher number of Covid cases fueled by the fast-spreading delta variant. Scientists and other health experts have repeatedly criticized the plan, saying data the federal health officials cited wasn’t compelling and characterizing the administration’s push for boosters as premature. There is currently not a consensus in the biomedical community on boosters for the general public, said Dan Barouch, an immunologist at Harvard Medical School. “There are senior experts who fall on different sides of the debate,” he said. “Right now, it’ll be interesting to see where the debate goes, but obviously it is known that the Biden administration has suggested that boosters are needed.” The Biden administration has cited three studies, released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, that showed the vaccines’ protection against Covid diminished over several months. The administration’s plan, outlined by senior health officials, calls for people to get a third dose eight months after they got their second shot of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. Biden has said scientists were reviewing whether to move the third shot up by three months. When the administration announced the plan in August, senior health officials said they worried protection against severe disease, hospitalization and death “could” diminish in the months ahead, especially among those who are at higher risk or were vaccinated during the earlier phases of the vaccination rollout. A group of scientists, including two senior FDA officials and the World Health Organization, published a paper Monday in the journal The Lancet that argued booster shots are not needed at this time for the general public. While Covid vaccine effectiveness against mild disease may wane over time, protection against severe disease appears to persist, the scientists said. On Tuesday, WHO officials called again for wealthy nations to stop distributing Covid vaccine booster doses in hopes of making more shots available for poorer countries with lagging immunization rates. “There are countries with less than 2% vaccination coverage, most of them in Africa, who are not even getting their first and second dose,” Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a press briefing. “And starting with boosters, especially giving it to healthy populations, is really not right.”
Then the WHO officials should pay for those vaccines out of their own pockets. Stop asking for rich nations to help poor nations, when you guys will not personally follow-through with your own BS.