Trumper's won't get vaccinated. Want to stay locked down forever

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Mar 14, 2021.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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    #521     Aug 4, 2021
  2. gwb-trading

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    #522     Aug 6, 2021
  3. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Trumper's won't get vaccinated. Want to stay locked down forever
    CDC: Blacks and Hispanics still least likely to be vaccinated
    https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/0...s-still-least-likely-to-be-vaccinated-n402993
    Overall in the United States, Asians lead with 62% being fully vaccinated. Whites are at 47%, Hispanics have reached 39 percent, and Blacks are still stuck at a 34 percent vaccination rate. (KFF.org)
     
    #523     Aug 6, 2021
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  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Don’t want the COVID-19 vaccine? Then pay the full cost if you land in the hospital
    Put your money where your mouth is — or get vaccinated
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/d...-cost-if-you-land-in-the-hospital-11628206594

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    Photo of unhinged anti-vaxxers - anti-vaccination activists in New York City on June 20. GETTY IMAGES

    Much of the argument about lockdowns and mask mandates boils down to disagreements about the level of risk that’s appropriate to impose on others and how much should be left to individuals to decide.

    But now that vaccines are easy to obtain (and have always been free to the recipients), the calculations have shifted. Those who choose to remain unvaccinated no longer pose a serious threat to the vaccinated – but they’re still imposing a cost. Hospitalizations for COVID are almost entirely confined to those who are not vaccinated, often at the cost of tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    Who should bear those costs? Under our system of risk-sharing, it’s all of us, whether through government programs like Medicare and Medicaid or through private insurers. When someone who refuses to get the vaccine gets seriously ill, their bills currently are paid by taxpayers or others in their insurance group.

    But why should the vaccinated bear those financial costs? Insurers, led by government programs, should declare that medically-able, eligible people who choose not to be vaccinated are responsible for the full financial cost of COVID-related hospitalizations, effective in six weeks.

    That gives time for the unvaccinated to make a choice, based on their personal preferences and a truer sense of responsibility. Those who continue to believe that COVID is no more than a cold, or that the pandemic is a sophisticated fraud, or that sheep parasite medicine is more effective than vaccines with shockingly good efficacy, can put their money where their mouths (and keyboards) are.

    One of the fundamental lessons of economics is that people respond to incentives – just witness the success of vaccine lotteries at encouraging vaccinations. But a policy of letting the unvaccinated foot the bill for their COVID-related hospitalizations is only partly about wielding a financial stick to push reluctant people into vaccination. It’s also about not expecting others to pay for your decisions. Standing up for your beliefs means being willing to bear the consequences. Otherwise, it’s just cheap talk.

    The most common objection to this policy is a slippery slope argument: what if the insurers stop covering the health outcomes of other lifestyle-driven diseases, like cirrhosis or Type 2 diabetes? Or not covering health costs for those who are unbelted in auto accidents?

    Health insurers already do charge more to people who smoke and are permitted in many states to exclude coverage when injuries arise from illegal acts or under the influence of drugs –including alcohol. And a full debate about whether people should be charged more when engaging in certain activities is not unreasonable if the costs of these kinds of choices are going to be spread to everyone.

    But more importantly, there is a direct and clear connection between vaccination and the likelihood of serious complications from COVID, unlike the decades-long development, mediated by genetics, between many health behaviors and serious illness. A more apt comparison would be if a safe single-shot cure for Type 2 diabetes was developed. The rest of us would be justified in refusing to cover the costs of complications for diabetes for anyone who refused to take the cure.

    Those of us who are vaccinated did the responsible thing. It’s time for the unvaccinated to live up to the ideals of individual freedom and personal responsibility by taking on more of the consequences of their actions. Some are nervous about the possible risks of a vaccine and are waiting – but they should bear not only the health but also the financial risks of their hesitancy.

    The complaint that lockdowns and mandates infantilize the population is reasonable. We should be able to make choices about our levels of risk tolerance. And every aspect of life comes with risks. But we don’t get to impose serious costs on others, and expecting others to pay is not only puerile but makes hard mandates more likely.

    Real adults take responsibility for their decisions.
     
    #524     Aug 6, 2021
  5. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    uhhhh......no.
     
    #525     Aug 6, 2021
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Interesting to note Spain is moving to do this and politicians are proposing it in the U.K. as well. No jab then you can cover personally your Covid hospital bill.
     
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    #526     Aug 6, 2021
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  7. userque

    userque

    Aren't you proud of Blacks and Latinos? Isn't that what you've been preaching: personal choice?
     
    #527     Aug 6, 2021
  8. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

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    #528     Aug 6, 2021
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  9. userque

    userque

    Just so you know, you are comparing a one-time event of the vaccinated, with a recurring almost daily event of those not required to be vaccinated.

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    #529     Aug 7, 2021
  10. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Just so you know, the vaxxed are just as contagious as the unvaxxed of the people that have contracted Delta.

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    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1.full.pdf
     
    #530     Aug 7, 2021