Trumper's won't get vaccinated. Want to stay locked down forever

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Mar 14, 2021.

  1. easymon1

    easymon1

    Joe Biden Needs a Hug Sooo Bad that He Does This...., lol. Oy Freakin' Vey!

     
    #481     Jul 27, 2021
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    "The latest GOP attacks were deeply ironic. Had more Republican leaders prioritized public health over politics and urged their voters to get vaccinated, the surge in new cases would likely have been avoided -- meaning no reintroduction of measures to stem an again-accelerating pandemic."

    Trump and DeSantis choose politics over science as mask wars roar back to life
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics/mask-wars-are-back/index.html

    A new political war over masks is already deepening the national divides that slowed vaccinations and thwarted what once seemed an imminent victory over the coronavirus pandemic.

    As soon as the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention rolled back indoor unmasking guidance on Tuesday for a majority of US counties amid surging new coronavirus cases, the ideological conflagration over face coverings roared back to life.

    Ex-President Donald Trump, in his latest attempt to damage his successor over a pandemic he himself basically ignored at the end of his own term while pushing his election lies, issued a statement saying, "Don't surrender to COVID. Don't go back!" If Trump's faithful followers accept his advice on ignoring mask guidance again, more of them will likely get sick and die.

    House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, a California Republican, tweeted that a directive by the House's attending physician that masks now need to be worn again in all interior spaces of the chamber was not "based on science." Instead, he said, the decision was "conjured up by liberal government officials who want to continue to live in a perpetual pandemic state."

    And in another high-profile clash, Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, who is presiding over his state's explosion of Covid-19 cases, moved into conflict with President Joe Biden, resisting new CDC recommendations for masking in schools.

    The showdown not only augured a new struggle between science and politics -- a disconnect that has plagued efforts to beat the worst public health crisis in 100 years. It also unleashed a face-off with extra partisan dimensions since it could preview a possible 2024 presidential election duel between DeSantis and Biden.
    The latest GOP attacks were deeply ironic. Had more Republican leaders prioritized public health over politics and urged their voters to get vaccinated, the surge in new cases would likely have been avoided -- meaning no reintroduction of measures to stem an again-accelerating pandemic.

    Only two months ago, the CDC said vaccinated people didn't have to wear masks indoors with the pandemic apparently in retreat. But on Tuesday, with the highly transmissible Delta variant raging, the top public health agency said that even vaccinated people in areas of "substantial" and "high" transmission of the coronavirus should mask up. And it said that everyone -- staff, kids and visitors -- should wear masks in K-12 schools when the summer break ends.

    The decision was taken in the context of new data showing that vaccinated people infected with the Delta strain can play a limited role in transmission, even if their chances of getting seriously ill and dying are still very low.

    The announcement that masking is back for many Americans came as a devastating blow to morale and could have significant political implications for a White House that made ending the pandemic this year its signature goal.

    Waning patience with vaccine holdouts
    New tensions over masks are also almost certain to exacerbate the disconnect between the White House, which is urging everyone to get life-saving vaccines, and pro-Trump states, where there is deep resistance to public health precautions even as the virus exacts a disproportionate toll.

    It will underscore the self-defeating reality that the people least likely to wear masks are often those most resistant to vaccines -- a fact that is driving unnecessary new cases and deaths from the disease and now even restricting the lives of the vaccinated.

    Political controversy is likely to ratchet up another notch on Thursday, when Biden is expected to announce that all federal employees and contractors must be vaccinated or face regular testing regimens.

    The sign of a hardening White House line comes amid perceptible societal frustration among vaccinated Americans with those who refuse to get their shots. The most haunting realization after the CDC decision is that America, unlike many other areas of the world, has the means to end its pandemic -- a plentiful supply of highly effective vaccines -- but won't fully utilize it.

    "We would not be in this situation if we already had, now, the overwhelming proportion of the population vaccinated," Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government's top infectious diseases expert, told "PBS NewsHour."

    In a statement, Biden told the country he had unwelcome news but that he had promised to always level with citizens over the true state of the pandemic. He did offer reassurance that more mask-wearing and vaccinations would mean the country could forestall a full return to the nightmare of last year.

    "Unlike 2020, we have both the scientific knowledge and the tools to prevent the spread of this disease. We are not going back to that," he insisted.

    Biden also said that while masking in schools would be "inconvenient" it would allow kids to be able to learn and spend time with their classmates again.

    But DeSantis, who has frequently sought to spin political advantage from the pandemic, styling himself as the scourge of health guidance unpopular with conservatives, including on vaccine passports, quickly contradicted Biden's advice.

    "Governor DeSantis believes that parents know what's best for their children; therefore, parents in Florida are empowered to make their own choices with regards to masking," said DeSantis' spokesperson, Christina Pushaw.

    She claimed that data showed Covid-19 was not a serious risk to healthy children but that they were at risk of bacterial infections from masks and from difficulty breathing. The statement contradicts CDC evidence that shows more children have already died from the disease, 517 so far, than even in a bad influenza year. Pushaw also retweeted a Fox News story in which she insisted the new CDC schools guidance "isn't based in science."

    Covid-19 cases are shooting up in almost every state, but Florida is seeing a stunning revival of the pandemic, accounting for nearly 1 in 4 of the new infections in the nation over the last week. DeSantis is now adopting a strategy that seems almost contradictory as he walks a political knife edge ahead of his reelection race next year: urging vaccines, unlike some other conservatives, but opposing most other kinds of countermeasures toward the disease.

    DeSantis is a protege of Trump, though his rising political profile might soon get him crossways with the ex-President, who is mulling another White House run in 2024. In resisting CDC mask recommendations, DeSantis is following in well-trodden footsteps. Trump undermined masking guidelines right from the start in the knowledge that there was political advantage for him among base voters who believed him when he downplayed the pandemic. Most notoriously, Trump ripped off his mask in a self-aggrandizing photo op when returning to the White House after his bout with Covid-19 last year.

    While a masking showdown with Biden runs directly against the government's best health advice, it will likely do the Florida governor no harm as he continues to raise his political profile. A slump into an even deeper pandemic, however, could leave him more vulnerable ahead of his reelection race next year.

    A new battle over schools
    Across the nation, the new CDC guidance on masking in schools is likely to mean a highly charged start to the new semester that begins within days in some states. In New Jersey, for example, some parents are going to court to try to prevent the state's Democratic governor, Phil Murphy, from taking any steps to require masks in class.

    "We live in a constitutional democracy. We do not have government by doctors meeting in conference rooms at CDC and issuing press releases," Bruce Afran, a lawyer for the parents, told CNN's Victor Blackwell on Tuesday.

    But the new political clashes over masking are dismaying doctors on the front lines of the pandemic, who are tired of people resisting health guidance.

    "I am so sick of this virus filling my emergency department and those of my colleagues around the country. I am sick of watching sickness, severe illness and death," Brown University Professor of Emergency Medicine Megan Ranney told CNN's Jake Tapper. Ranney urged people to accept masking so that the country could get the Delta variant under control.

    Another physician, Dr. Jonathan Reiner -- a professor of medicine at George Washington University -- openly blamed people who are resisting vaccines for the CDC having to issue new guidance on masks.

    "The problem is that 80 million American adults have made a choice ... not to get the vaccine, and these same people are not masking -- and that is the force that is propagating the virus around the country," Reiner said on CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront."
     
    #482     Jul 28, 2021
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Is it possible to understand the mindset of the unvaccinated? They are Trumpers.

    Understanding the unvaccinated
    https://www.axios.com/covid-unvacci...uth-4681dcbd-57f3-40c3-9719-cb798fa8846b.html

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    The most hardcore opponents of coronavirus vaccination — the group who say they'll never get one — tend to be older, whiter and more Republican than the unvaccinated Americans who are still persuadable, according to an analysis of our Axios/Ipsos Coronavirus Index.

    Why it matters: As the Delta variant triggers more COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths, mostly among the unvaccinated, the Biden administration and even some high-profile GOP political and media figures are trying to figure out how to nudge the country's vaccination rate higher.

    How it works: We examined data from the five most recent waves of our national survey, from May through last week, comprising 5,232 U.S. adults.
    • Seven in 10 respondents said they'd taken the vaccine. The group we wanted to understand was the remaining 30%.
    • Just under one-fourth of the unvaccinated said they're very or somewhat likely to take the shots, but haven't yet. About the same share said they're not likely to do it but haven't ruled it out.
    • The rest — a little more than half of all unvaccinated respondents — said they're not at all likely to get vaccinated.
    The big picture: Roughly half of the people in the most persuadable group are Black or Hispanic, whereas the most resistant group is overwhelmingly white. The dug-in opponents also identify more solidly as Republican, and are disproportionately concentrated in the South.

    Between the lines: Two additional themes unite those most resistant to being vaccinated.
    • They're most likely to say they don't consume traditional mainstream news, and they're most likely to distrust authority figures or institutions, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, President Biden and state governments.
    What we're watching: Parents with children at home were disproportionately likely to resist taking the vaccine themselves — a potential complication to efforts to increase child vaccination rates.
    • They comprised just 18% of the vaccinated respondents — but 23% of those saying they're likely to get vaccinated, 29% of those saying they're unlikely to and 31% of those saying they're not at all likely to do it.
    What they're saying: "There's three different groups that will require at least three different types of outreach," said pollster Chris Jackson, senior vice president for Ipsos Public Affairs.
    • "The group that still says they're willing to get the vaccine but hasn't gotten it, it appears that is more about access to the vaccine. It's not necessarily convincing them they should; it's convincing them how they can.
    • "The second group, the one that's not very likely to get the vaccine but is not necessarily the hard-pass, they're skeptical they need it," Jackson said. "That's where the persuasion effort needs to be focused. They're potentially the ones where requirements might be more effective to get them vaccinated.
    • "And then the last group, there's a wide variety of reasons that people give, but it appears that their opposition to getting the vaccine is substantially ideological or has to do with their self-identity," Jackson said. "It's really hard for an outsider to convince someone to change their ideological stances. So really the only way that's going to be effective to move these people if people who are seen to be part of this group drive the movement to get this vaccine."
    Methodology: This data comes from five waves of the Axios/Ipsos Poll conducted between May 7 and July 19 by Ipsos' KnowledgePanel®. These findings are based on cumulative nationally representative probability sample of 5,271 general population adults age 18 or older.
    • The margin of sampling error is ±1.5 percentage points at the 95% confidence level, for results based on the entire sample of adults.
    • Vaccinated (n=3702), ±1.8; Likely to get the vaccine (n=350) ±5.3; not very likely to get the vaccine (n=352) ±5.3; not at all likely to get the vaccine (n=830) ±3.5
     
    #483     Jul 28, 2021
  4. Mercor

    Mercor

    Someone calls you and asks if you are getting the vaccine.....Is it the Government...maybe...so everyone says yes

    Look at facts..In this poll 2/3s of blacks /Hispanics say they will get the vaccine, yet just the opposite 2/3s do not have the vaccine
     
    #484     Jul 28, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

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    #485     Jul 28, 2021
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    #486     Jul 29, 2021
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    It may be hard to believe that we've reached a point of stupidity in this country so deep that people who want to get vaccinated have to sneak out to do it so they don't piss off their MAGA relatives. But then, you don't live in Missouri.

    Some people in Missouri are getting vaccinated against Covid-19 in secret, doctor says. They fear backlash from loved ones who oppose the vaccines
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/health/vaccines-in-secret-missouri/index.html
     
    #487     Jul 29, 2021
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    #489     Jul 30, 2021
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Anti-vaxxers are literally providing aid & comfort to the enemy during wartime. They're saboteurs operating out in the open willfully spreading a biological hazard, overwhelming public health services, and destabilizing the nation's economy.
     
    #490     Jul 30, 2021