But hey, let’s play the 6D pigeon chess through @volpri Europe pours even more into defense... fine, it’s already capable of wiping out Russia several times over, but sure, more is more. Except nukes make that a moot point. Meanwhile, the U.S. loses its defense contracts, collapsing its military-industrial complex. The dollar loses its status as the reserve currency, meaning America can no longer print money and offload the consequences onto foreign holders of USD. The free money ocean dries up... but hey, no worries, Americans will be too busy farming and praying to notice? Sounds great. Let's do that.
Just for fun, I asked CGPT to make a probable future timeline. Response: Certainly. If the U.S. were to retreat to strict national borders, abandoning its global role and focusing purely on domestic interests, the long-term consequences would be profound. Here’s a speculative future history covering different phases of the fallout: --- 2025-2030: The Great Retrenchment The U.S. under Trump (or a successor following his playbook) pulls back from NATO, the UN, and other international alliances. Military bases overseas are shuttered, and security commitments are abandoned. Trade wars escalate as the U.S. implements extreme protectionism. Allies retaliate, and the U.S. loses key export markets. American firms struggle as global supply chains fracture. The dollar, no longer backed by U.S. military dominance, begins losing its status as the world’s reserve currency. The Federal Reserve struggles to contain inflation as foreign demand for U.S. debt plummets. Trump (or his successor) proposes a “Golden Dome” defense system modeled after Israel’s Iron Dome, requiring massive spending on domestic missile defense and space-based interceptors. As part of this strategy, the administration revives its ambition to annex Canada and Greenland, citing “security concerns” and “historical claims.” Canada resists diplomatically, while Greenland (backed by Denmark) outright rejects U.S. advances. --- 2031-2040: Economic Collapse and Isolation The Military-Industrial Complex shrinks, leading to mass layoffs across defense-heavy states. Some firms pivot to producing domestic surveillance technology, as the government expands control over internal security. Without foreign capital propping up the dollar, the U.S. faces severe inflation and economic stagnation. The Treasury struggles to finance federal spending, leading to cuts in infrastructure, scientific research, and social programs. Texas and other states with strong trade ties to Mexico and the global economy begin defying federal policies, creating a “gray market” economy of international trade. The federal government attempts to crack down, leading to a political crisis. Canada strengthens ties with Europe and Asia, thriving as an alternative hub for businesses fleeing the unstable U.S. Some northern U.S. states contemplate closer economic integration with Canada. Greenland, now strategically critical due to Arctic trade routes, officially enters a defense pact with the EU, permanently shutting down any possibility of a U.S. takeover. --- 2041-2050: The Fracturing of America The U.S. dollar is fully replaced as the global reserve currency, possibly by a China-led digital currency or a basket of international currencies. America can no longer print money at will, leading to severe austerity measures. The Rust Belt and Deep South experience deep poverty, while wealthier coastal states explore more independent governance models. Texas and California, once economic powerhouses, push for looser federal ties. America’s withdrawal from the world stage creates a power vacuum. China, now dominant in the Pacific, establishes military bases in Latin America. Europe, no longer reliant on U.S. defense, militarizes further, forming a European Defense Union. The former global leader is now a regional power, struggling with domestic unrest, economic instability, and a population increasingly divided between urban technocratic enclaves and rural religious strongholds. --- 2051 and Beyond: A Fragmented Former Superpower Several states push for independence, either economically or politically, as Washington’s ability to govern effectively erodes. The U.S. military, no longer a global force, becomes a defensive entity, focusing on border security and maintaining internal order. Meanwhile, the world moves on—China, Europe, and a rising coalition of nations in Africa and South America shape the global economy without U.S. input. By 2060, the “United States” may exist in name only, with regional blocs forming based on economic and cultural interests. The former superpower is no longer the leader of the free world, but an insular, divided nation struggling to redefine itself. --- This is, of course, just a projection, but history suggests that great powers rarely retreat from the world stage without severe internal consequences. America’s withdrawal wouldn’t just be a political shift—it would fundamentally alter its economy, social structure, and even its territorial integrity over time.
I feel so sorry for all the normal Americans. It must be so soul-destroying living in that dumbed-down place. Why they want to lie down and admit defeat to Putin and join the Axis Powers of North Korea, China and Russia is beyond me
If he had done that to Trump then his ass might would have gotten thrown out and landed on his head likely by Vance. He is younger than Mr T.
In the pessimistic analysis did you and your darling GPT forget to mention MAGA? BIG oversight! THAT IS A HUGE MISTAKE.
CGPT has scraped the sum total of human knowledge, they ran out of training data a while back so it has heard of your MAGA alright. What is actually happening is a bunch of dudes have decided democracy does not work for them and they want corporate rule, I suspect very similar to the world Ridley Scott predicted in his Alien franchise, Weyland Yutani corporation and rivals etc. Permanent minority rule, essentially a plutocracy masquerading as populism. Kind of sucks for everybody else but hey.
Bingo but I prefer to see it as a team effort between Russia, North Korea, and the sneaky China. All of whom have threaten the United States many times in the past that they could wipe us off the planet (e.g. Nuclear, Chemical or Biological Warfare). Prior to leaving the U.S. military, I picked up one more MOS...74A (CBRN)...hard fucking mental training...a ton of classwork and field work at Fort Leonard Wood that made Organic Chemistry in college look like a joke. Yet, one of the things we learned about was the strength of how other countries with similar chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear capabilities where trying to tear apart the alliances within NATO. Russia, North Korea, China Yet, the United States wanted to maintain that big control over NATO...that big stick in the world as you called it for the sake of Democracy. Trump then enters politics and saw dollar signs in his eyes...something much bigger than domestic real estate at a time when Warfare and Territorial Expansionism became a big money chest. Fortunately at the time I served, we were not trying or threatening to INVADE other Democratic countries for their resources who shown no aggression towards the United States. They wanted to ride the coat-tails of the United States to that big money chest too. Fast forward, Trump realized that NATO was in the way of Trump's MAGA ambitions. We're now walking towards that exit door under the façade of Nationalism and Isolationism but we can not bitch if Europe enters Ukraine and closes that deal that we failed to close on their critical rich minerals that Trump want to gain access to be the big stick for the new global alliance with Russia, North Korea, and China. Once again, how in the fuck did Ukraine become that damn important...do they really have 500 billion dollars worth of rich minerals as Trump stated or is that some inflated bullshit??? https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/28/trump-says-minerals-deal-with-ukraine-is-worth-billions-is-it.html This is not surprising because Trump has frequently talked about his great admiration and friendship with these countries (Russia, North Korea, China) but without talking about what the consequences will be to America's Democracy or the Democracy in other neighboring countries. I now regret not taking Russian in college but choosing instead to take Portuguese. wrbtrader
Rich territory but poor population because the original agreement was made to allow some Oil companies millions of dollars worth (billions today) to operate near/on some of the reservations. In return, Native Americans were allowed to become citizens of the United States of America even though we were here first. Indian Citizenship Act. On June 2, 1924, Congress enacted the Indian Citizenship Act, which granted citizenship to all Native Americans born in the U.S. The right to vote, however, was governed by state law; until 1957, some states barred Native Americans from voting. President Zelensky was thrown out and rumor to be sporting a black eye. Trump and Vance were seen smiling and doing Nazi salutes at the front door of the White House as Zelensky's motor pool drove away. P.S. Media didn't actually show Zelensky getting into one of the vehicles in his motor pool. He could still be in the White House, in the basement, being tortured by Vance, Trump and Musk for his signature on a paper to give America ownership of Ukraine...mafia style deal making... Live streaming the torture session to Putin. wrbtrader