Trump vs. DeSantis: Let's get ready to rumble!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Sep 28, 2022.

  1. Atlantic

    Atlantic

    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/21/politics/paul-ryan-never-again-trump-2024/index.html

    Paul Ryan invents a new category of anti-Trumpism

    Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
    Updated 1:25 AM EST, Tue November 22, 2022

    CNN —
    You know all about the “Never Trumpers” – that rump group of Republicans who have loudly spoken out against former President Donald Trump and what he has done to the GOP.

    Now meet the “Never-Again Trumpers.”

    That’s how former House Speaker Paul Ryan described himself in an interview with ABC News that aired over the weekend. Here’s what he said:

    “I’m proud of the accomplishments [during the Trump administration] – of the tax reform, the deregulation and criminal justice reform – I’m really excited about the judges we got on the bench, not just the Supreme Court, but throughout the judiciary. But I am a Never-Again Trumper. Why? Because I want to win, and we lose with Trump. It was really clear to us in ’18, in ‘20 and now in 2022.”

    Ryan, who left Congress in 2019, has grown increasingly outspoken about his feelings about Trump and the future of the Republican Party.

    In late October, he told Fox Business Network that the “new swing voter in American politics is the suburban voter, and it’s really clear the suburban voter doesn’t like Trump, but they like Republicans.” And he added: “So I think anybody not named Trump, I think is so much more likely to win the White House for us.”

    (Worth noting: Trump won suburban voters over Hillary Clinton in 2016 and lost them narrowly to Joe Biden in 2020, according to the national exit polls. In the 2022 midterm elections, Republicans won suburban voters 52%-46%.)

    And back in June at an event for South Carolina GOP Rep. Tom Rice, who voted to impeach Trump in 2021, Ryan was deeply critical of those within the GOP who didn’t vote that way. “There are a lot of people who say they’re going to vote their conscience, they’re going to vote for the Constitution, they’re going to vote for their convictions but when it gets hard to do that they don’t do it,” he said at the time. (Rice went on to lose the Republican primary in his district to a Trump-backed challenger.)

    Trump, as he does, has attacked Ryan in the past too. “As a Republican, having Paul Ryan on your side almost guarantees a loss, for both you, the Party, and America itself,” Trump wrote in a statement last year after Ryan gave a speech suggesting the party needed to move on from the former president.

    Attacks aside, Ryan’s position on Trump is an interesting one. It gives the former president credit for what he accomplished in office while suggesting he is neither the present nor the future of the GOP.

    Which is where, I think, some of the more serious challengers to Trump in 2024 will land. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, for example, would do well to echo Ryan’s viewpoint – give Trump credit for what he did as president while making clear that his political appeal has shrunk to the point where it would be a mistake for Republicans to nominate him again.

    At the core of Ryan’s position as a “Never-Again Trumper” is something that I have often wondered doesn’t get more attention: Trump’s win-loss record.

    Trump famously bragged that “we are going to start winning again and we are going to win so much,” but the truth is that since the 2016 election, he has been much more closely identified with losing. In Trump’s time in office, Republicans lost control of the House and Senate. Republicans did retake the House majority in 2022, but their victory was far narrower than expected. And Democrats managed to hang on to their narrow Senate majority, with several Trump-backed candidates falling short in key races.

    That decided lack of winning seems to be a clear weak spot for Trump as he looks to rally support for his third presidential bid. And DeSantis already appears to be moving to exploit it. Following a crushing reelection victory this month, DeSantis said of his critics: “I would just tell people to go check out the scoreboard from last Tuesday night.”

    Maybe DeSantis is part of the “Never Again Trump” movement too?
     
    #51     Nov 22, 2022
  2. smallfil

    smallfil

    Exactly. Extreme liberals salivating at a Trump vs De Santis Mano a Mano. What they will get is Trump supporting De Santis 100% and even campaigning for him. RINOs I highly, doubt Trump will support and I will urge him not too if the nominee is a RINO extreme liberal. I will instead, urge him to support Governors, Congressmen and Senators running for re-election. Controlling both the House and Senate should be priority for the Republicans if they lose the US Presidency once, again.
     
    #52     Nov 22, 2022
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  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    'Hostage situation': GOP insiders fear Trump third party run if he loses primary
    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2024-2658766140/

    Former President Donald Trump is still the frontrunner to be the Republican Party's 2024 presidential nominee -- but what would happen if he were defeated.

    Republican insiders who spoke with Semafor say they can't rule out the possibility that Trump would completely sabotage the party by launching an independent candidacy, with former RNC official Michael Short likening it to a "hostage situation."

    The publication notes that Trump teased potentially running as a third-party candidate in 2016, which he boasted gave him "leverage" over the party as a whole.

    One former Trump administration official also tells Semafor that while the former president at the moment isn't pondering an independent run, it is definitely not an outlandish scenario.

    "Trump was so successful in part because he ran against the elite and out of touch political establishment on both sides, so I’d say it’s not totally out of the realm of possibility," they explained.

    So far, Trump is the only Republican to announce a 2024 bid for the presidency, although there is speculation that former Vice President Mike Pence, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, and former United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley could also jump into the race.
     
    #53     Nov 22, 2022
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Last edited: Nov 22, 2022
    #54     Nov 22, 2022
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    DeSantis wants to run for President without having to quit as governor.

    Top Florida lawmakers want to change state law so DeSantis can run for president in 2024 without resigning as governor
    https://www.businessinsider.com/flo...ake-easier-for-desantis-run-president-2022-11
    • Republicans in Florida want to change the law so DeSantis can run for president and keep his job.
    • They would need to alter the state's so-called "resign to run" elections law.
    • The comments came as the new GOP legislature and leaders were sworn in Tuesday.
    Top Republicans in the Florida legislature said Tuesday that they'd be willing to change state election law so that Gov. Ron DeSantis could run for president without resigning from his current job.

    "I think that's a great idea," Florida House Speaker Paul Renner said in a press conference with reporters at the state capitol, when asked about potential changes to the state's so-called "resign to run" election law in the forthcoming legislative session. "I think we'll look at that."

    Senate President Kathleen Passidomo echoed Renner's comments, saying it would be an "honor" to have someone from Florida running for president. She agreed with Renner it would be a "good idea" to change the law. "If an individual who is from Florida, who is a Florida governor, is running for president, I think he should be allowed to do it," she said.

    Under current Florida law, if DeSantis were to run for president then he would have to resign his post as governor — even if he eventually lost the presidency. Candidates have 10 days to resign after they qualify for federal office, but how exactly that is defined when it comes to the presidency isn't clear and has been open to different interpretations, according to The Miami Herald.

    DeSantis may have to resign either if decides to run for president, if he were to secure the GOP nomination, or if he wins the presidency. The text of the law reads, "Any officer who qualifies for federal public office must resign from the office he or she presently holds if the terms, or any part thereof, run concurrently with each other."

    Either way, a clarification from the legislature would make it easier for DeSantis to run for president and return to his post in the governor's mansion if he doesn't succeed. The legislature loosened the law in 2008 when then-Gov. Charlie Crist, a former Republican, was a running mate contender for GOP presidential candidate John McCain — but then changed it back in 2010.

    DeSantis hasn't tried to tamp down speculation that he might seek a White House bid, and hasn't committed to serving out all four years as governor.

    There's a push among Republican donors and right-wing media to get him to run. A total of 33% of potential GOP primary voters said they'd vote for DeSantis today, shows a Morning Consult/Politico tracking poll released November 15. But he's still 14 percentage points behind former President Donald Trump, who made his presidential run official in mid-November.

    DeSantis also could face several other opponents in a 2024 primary. Other prospective candidates include former Vice President Mike Pence, former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley, South Dakota Gov. Kristi L. Noem, former CIA director Mike Pompeo, Sens. Tim Scott of South Carolina and Ted Cruz of Texas, and former Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan.

    On Election Day, DeSantis commanded a 20-point victory in Florida, and along with it came a Republican supermajority in the Florida House and Senate that is likely to be deferential to the governor's priorities. Both Renner and Passidomo were elected to their leadership posts on Tuesday, after which they took questions from the press.

    It's not clear whether DeSantis would want to hold down the grueling task of running for president while also leading the third-largest state in the US. DeSantis resigned from the US House when he ran for governor. If he were to resign the governorship then Lt. Gov. Jeanette Nuñez would replace him, becoming the first woman to become governor of Florida.
     
    #55     Nov 22, 2022
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #56     Nov 28, 2022
  7. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Very Happy that Paul Rino will does not still have an influence in the Republican Party
     
    #57     Nov 28, 2022
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  8. Atlantic

    Atlantic

    everything trump does is a sign of weakness.
     
    #58     Nov 28, 2022
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #60     Nov 29, 2022