Trump trade war has failed to boost U.S. manufacturing...

Discussion in 'Economics' started by lindq, Oct 26, 2020.

  1. JSOP

    JSOP

    And that's the most important. What would Biden do? Besides putting a tax on an industry, the financial industry, the only industry that is making money and has not (so far) been taken over by the Chinese and other foreign powers and oh yes, saving America's soul??!! LOL If you don't have money, you won't have any say on anything or how you want to live your life, just so you know. Democrats who are so big on "democracy" and "human rights" should keep this in mind. It's not America's soul that he needs to save. It's America's future economic prospect and possibly sovereignty that he needs to save.
     
    #61     Nov 2, 2020
  2. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    its a myth that democrats kill the economy.

    The last four recessions happend under Republican presidents. the last two Democratic presidents presided over growing economies.

    And let’s not discuss deficit spending when the budget was last balanced under a “Spendocrat” Clinton.

    but this election is much bigger than the economy. We can’t have a president who fundamentally doesn’t support our troops, doesn’t support the constitution, and spreads lies that undermine our democracy.
     
    #62     Nov 3, 2020
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  3. JSOP

    JSOP

    last two Democratic presidents presided over growing economies under economic policies already put forth by Republican presidents

    as depicted by the biased leftist media.

    And like I said, we don't need somebody to save America's soul. We are not looking for a preacher for a church Sunday sermon. We are looking for a LEADER for an entire country and the entire free world.
     
    #63     Nov 3, 2020
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Ok. Republicans take credit for good economies whenever they happen, democrats get the blame, whenever they happen. Just remember we had 12 years of Republican rule when Clinton inherited a recession. And we had 8 years of GWB rule when Obama inherited a recession. Trump inherited a bull economy form 8 years of Obama so it makes sense all 12 years go to him!

    you think trump has been a leader through this pandemic? Or through all the protests? He invites and incites them. What about leadership during the Russian bounty scandal?

    How old are you btw? Are you over 60?
     
    #64     Nov 3, 2020
  5. JSOP

    JSOP

    With Trump, personally believe he could do better during the pandemic but don't believe that Biden would've done any better considering all leaders from all countries were working with imperfect information there especially when they were disseminated by the incompetent WHO idiot who was basically living in the pockets of China and with limited resources. At the end the US had to fight over other nations to basically bid for PPE's sold by China (another critical reason why manufacturing especially for mission-critical goods need to be manufactured in the United States and not elsewhere). The protests, I felt Trump's remarks were fair but of course were quoted out of context and heavily distorted by the biased media. Both sides were equally at fault for the protests. And honestly, ALL lives matter regardless of how much political muscle that any groups have. Russian bounty scandal? You mean the Russian bounty hoax? Something that is even not confirmed by CIA or any other intelligence agencies? This is what you base your accusation of Trump being "fundamentally not support our troops" on?

    Age is really not relevant to this discussion here but since you asked.... How old are you btw? Are you under 20? Are you even eligible to vote?
     
    #65     Nov 3, 2020
  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I’m 42. I ask because I have a theory about people who hold the view you do.

    Biden, absolutely would have done better. Almost anyone else would have. The difference between America and the rest of the world is we have 4 months lead time and saw several countries in Asia and in Europe respond to the crisis. In December hedgefunders were putting on short positions. While information was spotty, scientists were working hard and no real government rejected their scientists full on (even Sweden). after 7 months it’s amazing that the US has so many deaths and cases despite being relatively geographically isolated. It’s also scary that much of the actions in March seem to have been political - put the blame on the governors and let blue state populations die. If you consider this good leadership, then I wonder what you have experienced in your life.
     
    #66     Nov 3, 2020
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  7. cesfx

    cesfx

    The WHO funding show 7.85% USA, 1% China.

    In my opinion if this virus was really deserving of the name "chinese virus" that would represent a war that Trump and the USA badly lost. Not fault of the WHO if all of Asia did better than the west.
     
    #67     Nov 3, 2020
  8. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    and the deflection of blame to the WHO is testament to how poor a leader trump is.
     
    #68     Nov 3, 2020
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  9. JSOP

    JSOP

    Four months lead time didn't do s***. Trump, right from the beginning when the virus was raging in China, Trump wanted to close the border to China; he wanted to ban all flights from China like many countries like Japan did in the world. At that time, the virus was still just confined in China and not really spread around the world yet. If USA had banned the flights then, it would've eliminated much of the possibilities of the virus being transported and eventually infecting America. Did anybody listen? Noooo. China accused Trump of racism. WHO screamed at Trump for overreacting and not trusting science because at the time, the genius WHO still believed that Covid-19's risk of infection is very very low despite seeing the rapidly spiraling of virus infection cases in China. And then community transmission of the virus happened because everybody decided to be ignorant and go to the Florida beaches to party and then carry the disease back to all of their home states since according to WHO, the risk of the infection is very very low and since nobody knew that asymptomatic transmissions of this virus is also possible because again the expert WHO said it's not even though there were already published reports of transmission of the disease while the carrier was asymptomatic. Would Biden had done better? Hardly unless he is an epidemiologist who knows about its potentially high risk of infection and asymptomatic transmission ahead of everybody otherwise he would've acted exactly the same way as Trump. Afterwards once the virus is everywhere in America, of course there was only so much Trump could do given the very limited PPE that was available due to the lack of local manufacturing in America. Everything had to be imported over from China. China provided its own healthcare workers FOUR layers of hazmat suits and N-95 masks while nurses in New York hospitals had to use garbage bags to cover their uniform and had to re-use N-95 cases. New York governors were counting down days remaining of PPE's. Would Biden had done better? Not unless he can magically make PPE's appear out of thin air otherwise he would've faced exactly the same problems and wouldn't have come up with any better solutions. And even then, Trump took drastic measures to procure more PPE's for the healthcare workers. He passed economic relief measures to aid all affected by the virus. Of course nobody talked about that and everybody still blamed him for this, for that...

    This is what the left does to Trump. He never gets credit for anything that he's done right and nobody works with him to implement what he wants to get done. And then when things go wrong, everybody blames him and all think they themselves can do better. Yeah it's always easy to be an "armchair leader" but it's a totally different ball game when you are really in the hot seat making all the decisions while relying on incomplete and from an ad-hoc point of view incorrect information. Did I ever say I "consider this a good leadership"? No. what I said was
    and I still do. I believe he could do better but given the limited information and the limited resources, I believe nobody would've done any better than Trump, definitely not Biden. At the time, Biden was there. Did he make any suggestions AT THE TIME of what he would do? What kind of solution did he have? No. Not one peep! Now it's easy to say "you should've done this", "I would've done that". On an ad-hoc basis, everybody is a genius. And I am not taking my chances with an ad-hoc genius like Biden when he's provided really no real leadership during the pandemic crisis. At least Trump has done something. Something is better than nothing. And Trump is still doing his best to get America through this health crisis. All he needs is just everybody co-operating with him and work with him and not against him. It won't benefit anyone.

    And Trump's never "put the blame on the governors and let blue state populations die.". You need to provide real hard facts instead of empty leftist rhetorics like these.
     
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    #69     Nov 3, 2020
  10. JSOP

    JSOP

    Exactly. This is why Trump is cutting off funding to WHO, one of the best things he's ever done. If all of Asia all did better than the west, then they are in much better position to fund WHO. They don't need USA. :)
     
    #70     Nov 3, 2020