Very true. I do know someone that had a blood disorder since birth. She even was home schooled for many years by her mom due to the fact she had a weaken immune system. As she got older, her immune system strengthen and she attended college, cross country runner (nationally ranked), very healthy / athletic and became a track coach...still a runner in her 40's. Yet, she still had that blood disorder that require medication for the rest of her life. Unfortunately, at age 42 years old...she contracted Covid-19 positive from her husband (a lawyer) and she was dead within 25 days. She's one of those co-morbidity stats and her death is listed as Covid-19 and not the blood disorder / immune system problem since childhood that she has lived with her entire life. Accordingly to @misterkel...co-morbidity factors were as likely (often more likely) the actual cause of death. The above is actually different than his prior statement in this thread in which he stated only 6% were definitely from Covid as if to imply Covid-19 had nothing to do with the cause of death except 6%. Therefore, one should assume the +200k dead is a flaw number via his question mark (see his original quote below). In reality he should have stated about the co-morbidity factors is that many of these individuals were living a normal lifestyle (they weren't on their death bed prior to contracting Covid-19 infection). Yet, the CDC does not post any stats like that to tell you the % of those that died were living a normal lifestyle and had a normal life expectancy. Therefore, misterkel knows that and tries to be slick (misleading) to imply these are individuals that would have died anyway except 6%... That's the danger in misinformation by people this misterkel character and others like this person. Here's another issue about this misterkel individual...he / she is most likely in one of the following camps of beliefs: Covid-19 is like the Flu Covid-19 is a HOAX Does not believe wearing a face mask will protect those around you from getting a Covid-19 infection if the mask wearer is infected Covid-19 only infect the elderly or those that would have soon died anyway except for 6% Kill off millions...you'll eventually get herd immunity without needing a vaccine. Good approach instead of wearing face mask, washing hands and social distancing. Downplays Covid-19 because people in the U.S. have herd immunity The above implies misterkel resides in Nova Scotia, Canada and doesn't like the policy in N.S. that require people to wear a face mask indoor public buildings (e.g. grocery stores, government buildings, hospitals, library). Here in Québec, Canada...I've seen a problem in the past month with us Québécois people via the recent laziness within the community even in stores. Too many people acting like its over...we've defeated Covid-19. In fact, on many days the past 30 days, I would see store clerks without masks and other days with face masks. In contrast, the signs on the door entry states all must wear face masks due to Covid-19. Simply, too many conflicting behaviour in the recent month alone and I will assume its occurring elsewhere in other provinces here in Canada along with seeing a dramatic increase with elderly people in the stores / public indoor buildings especially in the stores with Lottery Québec. I thought this was odd because I thought the rule was mandatory face masks in all indoor public places. We now have spikes in infections / deaths and many people like me are mad as hell against those not following the Health Canada guidelines. Yet, I'm not sure why misterkel is looking at the CDC stats instead of the stats from Health Canada that keeps its own Covid-19 stats of Canadians including Nova Scotia. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/tracking-every-case-of-covid-19-in-canada-1.4852102 I don't know which camp of the below that this misterkel character is a member (looks like the anti-mask folks) but those from the above typically intentionally misuse the information from the CDC to downplay the deadly impact of Covid-19. On a sad note, I learned yesterday that a friend's son (college hockey player...20 years old) with asthma has tested positive for Covid-19. He's now officially one of the many Canadians that's infected with Covid-19 and hopefully he will not be among the co-morbidity list of those that have died soon after contracting the infection called Covid-19. Just as sad...Covid-19 is still a new disease...he could still become one of those long-haulers that develop short term or long-term health problems. Luckily for him, he does not live in the United States with a buffon President that's trying to get rid of a healthcare system in the middle of a Pandemic that makes insurance companies insure people with an underlying medical condition...about 1/3 of the population. Covid-19 is like a Ninja to that 1/3 of the population with an underlying medical condition that had been expected to live a normal lifestyle. wrbtrader
It's interesting that when he can't defend his bullshit ideas on the merits and has to completely ignore things like excess deaths he pivots to the old "a number of smart people are saying" strategy. Which is itself complete and utter bullshit. The overwhelming consensus among epidemiologist is that COVID is a deadly disease that has killed over 200,000 people in the U.S. and whats more, their overwhelming consensus is that people like you who attempt to minimize the disease are responsible for many of those deaths which were completely avoidable. You've got blood on your hands, and for what? To make a stupid political point because your leader told you to? You should be ashamed of yourself! You might not be retarded, but if you're not than you are a horrible human being to knowingly continue to push a thoroughly debunked position that leads to unnecessary deaths.
I live in Singapore where the rules are followed to a T. Foreigners who don't abide lose their work visa and have 30 days to leave the country. Guess what? No one breaks the rules, end of story. PRs and citizens get fined and or sent to jail for failing to abide by the rules. In this city state of 6M people we have 27 deaths and a couple hundred covid carriers. Living under such constraints is stifling and most everyone can't wait to open up again, but until a vaccine is found and administered to enough people, we will continue to live uncomfortably for the safety of all.
He's not out of the woods yet...he's still under doctors care for the 14 days self-isolation. Day 7 - 9 typically is the danger area of some well known Covid-19 cases when the symptoms turned to the worst that requires medical intervention. That's why I call Covid-19 a Ninja. Therefore, if he gets by this weekend without any further problems...then you can say that's an old bird with the best medical care that none of us would have unless we're a world leader with a team of Doctors caring for us 24/7. wrbtrader
Why would it get him any more votes? All the people with the "I vote for tough man" mentality are already firmly in his camp. The rest of us vote based on a number of other factors, maybe policy maybe morality and those can lead us to vote for or against him, but "toughness" isn't really a factor for the rest us us.
Agreed. That's the primary data point that reveals something about Covid being worse than a flu. Combined with the age and co-morbidity stats, Covid clearly is dangerous for elderly persons with pre-existing conditions. Clearly, it accelerates death in many cases. I would say the future test is whether the excess death count does not become inverted in the later half of the year. Also, it's important to look at global excess deaths. Do you have a reference for excess death counts? I haven't seen one from official sources, but I haven't dug as deep into that as I would like to. Only so much time in the day, you know.
Certainly, for example, if your underlying condition is, say, a motorcycle accident and you test positive for Covid, then sure - that's a Covid death.
Motorcycle accident is not a list of underlying medical condition just like drowning, shooting, fell into an active volcano are not listed as underlying medical conditions. It's not rocket science. If you contract Covid-19 and then died many days later due to Covid-19 causing deadly combination of problems in your body...you should be listed as death via Covid-19. Just the same, if a person gets crushed by a big piece of cement that fell from a tall building and the person was also Covid-19 positive (asymptomatic)... That person should not be listed among deaths by Covid-19 but the person should still be listed as Covid-19 positive. In contrast, I do know for fact there's been a few situations like that such as a Covid-19 positive person getting hit by a car...dying from brain injury trauma but then getting listed as death via Covid-19. That's wrong / unethical / manipulation by the hospital. wrbtrader