Trump says stock market is all a big bubble....

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by S2007S, Aug 9, 2016.

  1. Sig

    Sig

    Predicting there will be a pullback is far far easier than predicting when.
     
    #41     Aug 22, 2016
  2. J_Smith

    J_Smith

    I have seen so called "professional" traders laugh at elliot wave theory, just because they do some very short term momentum trades, which any child could do - in fact, most children now would be able to do much better short term trades than adults, thx to the advancements in online gaming.

    Deciphering crowd behavior, using geometric and mathematical calculations, based on price movement over time, well, let's just say any ordinary Joe Soap will find it very difficult to understand even the basics!

    J_S
     
    #42     Aug 22, 2016
  3. J_Smith

    J_Smith

    When you have major political events affecting large buy siders, then YES!

    Under "normal" conditions, it is possible, by some, to predict with very good accuracy - within 2-4 weeks, when the actualTop or Bottom will occur - again, without any major Black Swan events.

    J_S
     
    #43     Aug 22, 2016
  4. Sig

    Sig

    Are you "some"? If not I'd like to see one of these predictions, and not the stopped clock right twice a day kind that have identified 25 of the last 2 bear markets.
     
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    #44     Aug 22, 2016
  5. Personally, I think if one has a broader time horizon, then buying the "bottom" provides an opportunity to use cash to BUY THE DIP when others are buried holding losing positions. Regarding doing this within 2-4 weeks with "very good accuracy" is doubtful, at least for me.

    I'm looking at the overall cycles from 1929, where the bear market corrections on S&P average 34%, thereby putting the S&P at or around the 1,500 to 1,600 level on the next bear market correction, if the S&P has the "actual top" around the 2,200-2,300 range. Could it overshoot on the downside as well? Probably, however the market has always recovered regardless of draw, so it really doesn't matter if you get the actual bottom.
     
    #45     Aug 22, 2016
  6. J_Smith

    J_Smith

    It is all relevant - if daytrading one need not worry or bother about longer term opinions.

    If you have money, then, it is easy make money - providing of course you do not take on too much risk, and drawdowns of say 10% of your capital do not bother you.

    Scared money never wins - aka, high leveraged traders.

    Reality - no good looking at daytrading though, if you are not available to trade the key times.

    J_S
     
    #46     Aug 22, 2016
  7. J_Smith

    J_Smith

    Some years ago it was started to be explained to me, with charts - but as I had no interest in this approach (compared to daytrading) I did not follow thru - all I will say is that geometric ratios are used, with uncanny results - the low following the 2007 sell off was called to within a few days - does anyone believe me, well, I couldn't care less - I am only interested in what I believe!

    J_S
     
    #47     Aug 22, 2016
  8. birzos

    birzos

    Of course, Tulip Mania, the central banks are trying to buy time expecting that the economy will rebound, however, there's a problem. What happens if the economies don't rebound in time and the only thing propping them up was the easy money. It's just history repeating itself, the only question is how big is the bubble, but you don't want to know that because the truth hurts!
     
    #48     Aug 22, 2016
  9. J_Smith

    J_Smith

    Any person who decides to risk their money in the markets, should, to the best of their ability, limit their risk (in relation to desired reward) and make sure that no matter what happens - they never ever risk too much on any one trade.

    The main reason why most lose, is, not due to their inability to call market direction, but due to their inability to control how much they lose on each trade taken - ignoring the mail does not make bills go away, it just prolongs the agony and makes matters worse!

    The better the control, the better the results - as it then just becomes a matter of time!

    J_S
     
    #49     Aug 22, 2016
  10. Zestilio

    Zestilio

    We shall see. Though to be honest this cicle has been around for so long that I get a bit sceptical when hearing another vow that it's about to end.
     
    #50     Aug 23, 2016