I think that the various references to and concerns about white supremacy are fair enough, to be expected, and go with the turf at this time. That being said, there is a movement afoot here and in the media to somehow imply that we dont have muslim wackjobs- some immigrants-some homegrown or second generation who never assimilated- wreaking havoc from time to time. Pulse Nightclub, for example = Muslim extremist. Plenty of people dead. San Bernandino, for example = Muslims extremists. Plenty of people dead. Different treatment by the press of course. The media feels it has an obligation to use their podium to educate everyone that there is no connection between basic muslims and violence whereas they use that same podium - right as we speak- to educate the public on how there is a direct connection between being a conservative or pro-Trump and the el paso scenario. We all recall how they immediately dinged Sarah Palin for allegedly being complicit in Gabby Giffords shooting. In contrast -but making the same point- we all remember how they did NOT use their pulpit to harp and carp on the fact that a Bernie supporter assaulted republicans playing baseball or softball. Yeh. White people bad- all trump supporters and white supremacists. Muslim wackjob Fort Hood shooter = "isolated incidence of workplace violence." We all know how the media calls the tunes and the lefties dance the specified jig and adjust it according to the tune- which could change from day to day.
I say give him to Mexico Mexico wants to extradite the El Paso gunman By Ephrat Livni6 hours ago On Aug. 3, a 21-year-old gunman—identified as Patrick Crusius from a Dallas, Texas suburb—killed at least 20 people and left 26 others wounded at a Walmart in El Paso, a city on the border with Mexico. Six Mexican nationals were killed in the attack, which was thought to be motivated by anti-Hispanic sentiment based on a manifesto police believe Crusius posted online right before the shooting. This prompted Mexican authorities to announce they would take “legal action.” Mexican foreign minister Marcelo Ebrard said in a statement the day after the shooting that the attack was “an act of terrorism against the Mexican-American community and Mexican nationals in the United States.” He said that Mexico could try to extradite Crusius—who El Paso police managed to arrest—and will investigate the gunmakers whose weapons were involved in the attack. But extraditing the American shooter to Mexico for crimes committed in the US is not a simple process, or necessarily one that will meet with success. Extradition allows one nation to formally surrender an individual to another for prosecution for crimes committed in the requesting country’s jurisdiction, typically enabled by a treaty. The US and Mexico have had an extradition treaty in place since 1862, which was renewed in 1978. However, that treaty doesn’t require either nation to extradite its own citizens. Given that American authorities will also want to prosecute Crusius and that he is American, it seems highly unlikely that they will turn the shooter over to Mexicans wishing to do the same for crimes committed on US soil. The Department of Justice (DOJ) rule on foreign extradition outlines the process countries go through to obtain custody of a fugitive generally. First, the foreign embassy makes a request to the State Department or DOJ, depending on their specific treaty, and the US authorities review and forward the request to the DOJ’s Office of International Affairs (OIA). If the OIA deems the request “sufficient and appropriate” it forwards it to the US Attorney’s Office in the district where the fugitive is located. A US Attorney is then assigned to the case and appears in court in support of the request for extradition, with the prosecutor representing the US in fulfilling its obligations under the extradition treaty. There are fewer legal protections in an extradition hearing than in other criminal proceedings, as neither the Federal Rules of Evidence nor the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure apply to the extradition hearing. A judge determines whether the fugitive is extraditable and, if so, certifies the extradition and sends the record to the Secretary of State, who ultimately decides whether to surrender the individual. Certification of extradition following the hearing is not appealable, but the fugitive may petition for a writ of habeas corpus, and a district court’s decision on the writ of habeas corpus is subject to appeal. A court may order an extradition stayed. Otherwise, the Secretary of State makes the final determination on the surrender warrant, and the OIA notifies the foreign government that its request has been granted or denied. The OIA then arranges for the transfer of the fugitive to the custody of the agents of the country requesting extradition when applicable. As the Council on Foreign Relations notes, the US has extradition treaties with about 100 countries, but “even with treaties in place, extraditions are often contentious and sometimes become embroiled in geopolitical friction.” Mexico and the United States quarreled over extraditions for many years, with Mexicans refusing all extradition requests between 1978 and 1996. In the late 1980s, American bounty hunters abducted a Mexican physician suspected of aiding in the torture and murder of a US drug enforcement agent. “The episode poisoned extradition cooperation between the two countries for several years,” the Council on Foreign Relations explains. According to a Fordham Law Review article on US-Mexico extraditions, authorities from both nations later became increasingly cooperative. Still, given that Crusius is an American, that his crimes were committed in the US, and that local authorities will also want to prosecute him, any Mexican extradition request, while perhaps being viewed sympathetically, is not likely to lead to the defendant’s removal if Mexico follows through on its expressed intent.
Trump has made a huge mistake signaling support of red flag laws. Does he really want to go into the elections having supported gun confiscation yet done zilch about the border or immigration? I know many see these laws as well-intentioned ways to remove guns from dangerous individuals, but they lack due process. Any nutcase who has a beef with you can call up the cops and say you are a dangerous menace. Even worse, local trigger-happy cops use them as an excuse to roll their SWAT teams and do Roger Stone-style pre-dawn kick in door raids. They will be a slippery slope to gun confiscation. The precedent will be established that mere wrong thinking is enough to take away your legally owned weapons. Ironically, many of the worse mass shooters were known to the FBI or law enforcement and they did nothing about them.
Jesse KellyVerified account@JesseKellyDC 12h12 hours ago Pretty excited to have the DOJ and FBI decide which thought crimes of mine give them to right to seize my guns.
Rocket Scientist Devon Stack@EvilHillaryPics 10h10 hours ago Remember when Muslims rushed to apologize and disavow after every terror attack? Or when blacks apologized for violent riots and mass shooting over BLM? Or Jews apologized for the USS Liberty? Stop groveling you weak fucks. They are never going to love you. 19 replies 410 retweets 1,063 likes
Bronze Age Pervert Retweeted Battle Beagle@HarmlessYardDog 5h5 hours ago Step back and think about this for a moment We’re having to defend “due process” Basic rights That’s how bad it’s gotten
Remember how enthusiastic "law and order" republicans were for civil asset forfeiture laws? And what a nightmare they turned into?
Bryan Suits (Not California Compliant)Verified account@darksecretplace 24h24 hours ago 27 of America's 3,242 counties are responsible for almost 80% of firearm homicides. Without them, we'd be at the EU average, but in possession of 300 million legally-owned guns. VoxVerified account@voxdotcom Aug 4 "Realistically, a gun control plan that has any hope of getting us down to European levels of violence is going to mean taking a huge number of guns away from a huge number of gun owners."
Cannot think of one good reason NOT to turn the shooter over to Mexico. Perfect justice served having the Mexican killer put into a Mexican jail. No need for BS plea deals or trial .