See, this is your problem, there are NO standards anymore. Everyone is a liar, it's about DEGREES. A person who lies all the time as opposed to someone who lies occasionally and for a reason are not the same. It's like comparing Infowars to NYtimes. And Obama was a bigger liar? You are a joke.
you are not getting it. Obama told some massive lies in office. Trump has not told nearly as many consequential lies and with respect to his most important promise... he delivered. Gorsuch. here is a reminder of how much more consequential obama's lies were while in office. http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365393-how-quickly-ny-times-forgets-obamas-lies-and-frauds How quickly NY Times forgets Obama's lies and frauds BY JAMES BOVARD, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 12/18/17 07:20 AM EST 305 THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL 228 © Getty Donald Trump has been flogging the truth and twisting facts since the day he arrived in the Oval Office. But anyone who expected more candor from him as president than on the campaign trail was criminally naive. The real mystery nowadays is why the media seeks to expunge the falsehoods of prior presidents. “Trump’s Lies versus Obama’s” was the headline in a Sunday Review New York Times piece aiming to drive a final coffin nail into Trump’s credibility. The Times claimed Trump has already “told nearly six times as many falsehoods as Obama did during his entire (8-year) presidency.” The columnists seem so distraught that it is surprising the article is not in all caps. But the Times’ list of falsehoods is itself a charade with gaping Montana-sized holes. Has the Times forgotten about Edward Snowden? Obama responded to Snowden’s stunning revelations of the National Security Agency’s vacuuming up millions of Americans’ personal data by going on the Jay Leno Show and proclaiming: “There is no spying on Americans.” But NSA’s definition of “terrorist suspect” was so ludicrously broad that it includes anyone “searching the web for suspicious stuff” (maybe including presidential lies). Obama’s verbal defenses of NSA spying collapsed like a row of houses of cards. In early 2009, Obama visited Mexico and, in a spiel calling for the renewal of the assault weapon ban, asserted that “more than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States.” This vastly overstated the actual problem, since that statistic measured only firearms that Mexican authorities sent to the U.S. for tracing. His administration then acted as if 90 percent was a goal, not a lie, launching a secret Fast and Furious gunwalking operation masterminded by the Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agency, deluging Mexican drug gangs with high-powered weapons. At least 150 Mexicans were killed by guns illegally sent south of the border with Obama administration approval. Obama’s animosity to the Second Amendment spurred some of his most farcical whoppers. In July 2016, Obama asserted: “We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book.” Glocks are the Lexus of handguns, and a person could buy hundreds of volumes of used books via Amazon for the price of a Glock. A year earlier, Obama bewailed “neighborhoods where it’s easier for you to buy a handgun and clips than it is for you to buy a fresh vegetable.” Obama never offered a single example of a locale where carrots are rarer than .38 Specials. But his false claim helped frighten clueless suburbanites to support Obama’s anti-gun agenda. The Times column lists only one Obama falsehood on the Affordable Care Act: “If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.” Obama’s dozens of variations and recitals of this lie were disregarded. The Times also ignored the fact that the ObamaCare legislation was carefully crafted to con Congress and the public. As its intellectual godfather, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, explained: “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically, that was really, really critical to get this thing to pass.” To revile Trump, the column also struggles mightily to resurrect George W. Bush’s credibility. The Times concedes that Bush sought to justify attacking Iraq “by talking about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, which did not exist.” This vastly understates the role of official deceit in hustling that war. In early 2003, Bush’s speeches continually warned, “If war is forced upon us....” There was never any truth to war being “forced upon us” (except by the White House) but that phrase helped Bush panic audiences still jittery after 9/11. The Center for Public Integrity, which has won two Pulitzer Prizes, compiled a list of 935 lies by Bush and his top appointees on Iraq. Perhaps to preserve the column’s lofty tone, the Times omitted any mention of Bush’s four years of brazenly false denials of authorizing a worldwide torture regime. The Times’ comparison of Trump and other presidents implies that all lies are equally damnable. The Times ignored all the Obama false promises used to justify his troop surge in Afghanistan (which resulted in more than a thousand dead American troops with nothing to show for the sacrifice) and bombing Libya (which now has slave markets). But killing vast numbers of human beings should require more due diligence than assertions on federal spending for peanut subsidies. The Times asserts that Trump is seeking to “to make truth irrelevant,” which “is extremely damaging to democracy.” But democracy has also been subverted by the media’s long history of ignoring or absolving presidential lies. For more than a century, the press has groveled the worst when presidents dragged the nation into the biggest perils. Trump’s lies deserve to be exposed and condemned. But Bush’s and Obama’s lies help explain why only 20 percent of Americans trusted the federal government at the end of Obama’s reign. Pretending America recently had a Golden Age of honest politicians encourages the delusion that toppling Trump is all that is necessary to make the federal government great again. James Bovard is a member of the USA Today Board of Contributors and has written for the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Playboy, Washington Post, and many other publications. He is the author of 10 books, including “Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty” (St. Martin’s Press, 1994). Follow him on Twitter @JimBovard.
No matter the much fake news says someone is a liar, it does not mean someone a liar. You have been trying to promote the idea that Trump is a liar obsessively. You have even created a long list of examples of Trump’s “lies.” Upon reviewing this list, I and others have found the list to be a lie for reasons discussed in other threads. The overriding question is why are you and the media trying so hard to discredit Trump? Is it Trump’s promise to drain the swamp? Is it because corruot politicians, their media enablers, and businesses that only exist because of government pork spending feel threatened? Is it the realization the Trump’s policies are good for the economy of this country and thus interferes with the agenda of Left controlled media? Is it merely the media “sculpting” pubic political opinions? If so, what is their agenda for the United States? It can’t be good where the media promotes sex change, pot, illegal immigration, and reduction of American’s rights.
If Trump ordered Mueller fired, he would have been fired, case closed. Now I can see a pissed off Trump having a conversation saying why do I have to put up with this bullshit when there's zero evidence, I should just fire the guy. Then someone in the room says, yeah, it's bullshit, but that's politics and if you fire the guy the media will just say you're trying to cover up. We just have to play the game Mr. President. To which Trump says, fuck it, I like games, let the games begin. All that isn't ordering someone to be fired, it's just conversation.
I have to try to discredit a person who settled for millions running a SCAM UNIVERSITY? I can judge for myself when I see a pathological liar, Trump lied about this very thing in this article, something even Fox has confirmed, so Fox is trying to discredit him now? Do you deny that he lies obsessively? Even something as simple as the crowd size at his inaguration or winning the 'biggest landslide' or Obama's birth certificate is fake and his PIs have the info which would be released soon. The list is endless. You are caught up in the right wing narrative about 'media' as if your alternative media is any good, in fact it's worse because they don't do any reporting other than commenting on media.
I agree that a key element in bringing a successful obstruction charge would be other illegal activity involving Trump and his associates. Mueller's team of prosecutors should have no difficulty passing this hurdle. You'd have to be deaf dumb and blind to think Trump's antics are those of an innocent man. The man has done everything to spell out CROOK short of donning a shirt with a big scarlet "C" on it. After a lifetime of bullying, starting as a small child, and associating with criminals, why would you, for even one moment, entertain the thought that his crimes might be limited to trying to trade lifting of the sanctions for favors? Trump's eventual indictment will be one of the longest list of statute violations ever handed down. You are supremely naive, jem. I guess in an odd sort of way that's what I like about you. I brings out a fatherly instinct in me, and I find myself wanting to clasp my hands over your innocent ears. A reliable indicator of Trump's impaired mental state due to his extreme narcissism is his incautious behavior. No otherwise sane criminal, knowing that he was vulnerable on so many fronts, would have intentionally brought so much attention on himself by running for President of a major country. This is truly insane behavior. It can be explained by the level to which his narcissism is in control of his actions. He truly believes he is invincible. His survival from ruin when he was fighting for financial survival would have reinforced this conviction. He believes no one can touch him. He'll soon enough, however, be in his bunker contemplating suicide. In the words of "The Donald", "sad," and "sad" for our country as well. The closest recent parallel I can think of between Trump and another world leader and narcissist would be Silvio Berlesconi. Though Berlesconi appears to have been more capable than Trump, and like Trump, dodged many bullets, in the end, he, as Trump too will be, was convicted. Italian leader gives Putin duvet cover with their picture on it - NY Daily ... www.nydailynews.com/news/.../italian-leader-putin-duvet-cover-picture-article-1.35503... Oct 9, 2017 - Italy's controversial former leader isn't keeping his love for Vladimir Putin under wraps, or under the covers. Three-time prime minister Silvio Berlusconi gave his longtime Kremlin colleague a duvet cover of them shaking hands as part of a series of birthday gifts, Correire della Serra reported Sunday. Italy's former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has started a year of community service at a care home near Milan following a tax fraud conviction. But this is not the only court case the 77-year-old has been embroiled in. Berlusconi, a billionaire businessman, is still fighting several other criminal convictions arising from trials ...
You do present some strong points. I will have to research Trump University before coming to a conclusion on that one. I feel you on crowd-size proclamations. When I participated in anti-Iraq war protests, the media would constantly grossly underestimate protester crowd size. They would say “thousands”. when we had hundreds of thousands protesters demonstrating. Significant smaller protests would simply not be reported. There did appear to be irregularities on the birth certificate question, but Trump did seem to push it too far. Trump’s tax return is another interesting question. As far as Fox and alternative media are concerned, I am not denying they also have serious issues. Trump and Conservative news media has obviously had issues in accuracy, fair reporting, proper characterisation, and honesty. They have and should suffer loss of credibility to the extent of their dishonesty. Trump and Conservative media is not all lies, however. I support Trump because of his exceptional business performance, where he took a small amount of money and turned into a large amount of money by recognizing and exploiting available opportunities. Our country faces great demographic and competitive challenges. We need a leader with business experience to help us navigate those challenges. Trump’s personal flaws are many, but he is strong where we need it the most right now. An extended period of economic growth will help create financial security for a broad group of our people. There may even be social benefits from long term economic growth, assuming we don’t get too spoiled! I consider our blogging to be part of the alternative media. Can we say that we conduct ourselves any better than the heavily-criticized media?
He got 200 million inheritance which is besides the millions he 'borrowed' from his father, he blew up during a real estate boom, he got 'rich' screwing contractors and partners which is why no decent financial organization would even finance him. Hell, even his lawyers who he used to sue others had to sue him to get their fees. He had to run scams like that university and selling 'steaks' to get by and then of course the great marketing and branding, if someone had simply invested his money in ETFs, he would have been richer. You are falling for hyperbole again. Trump’s net worth has grown about 300% to an estimated $4 billion since 1987, according to a report by the Associated Press. But the real estate mogul would have made even more money if he had just invested in index funds. The AP says that, if Trump had invested in an index fund in 1988, his net worth would be as much as $13 billion. The S&P 500 has grown 1,336% since 1988. http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/