Trump openly pushing for disenfranchisement

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  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #41     Jun 24, 2020
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  2. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    There is no voter fraud and not evidence of fraud they said. Mail-in-ballots and ballot harvesting is totally safe they said. It is blatantly obvious to anyone with over one brain cell that ballot harvesting is creating a perfect opportunity for fraud. The only way that there is no voter fraud with respect to ballot harvesting is if there is not one immoral or unethical person in the United States.

    https://www.nj.com/passaic-county/2...paterson-councilman-and-councilman-elect.html

    Voting fraud charges filed against Paterson councilman and councilman-elect

    In the wake of rampant allegations of voter fraud in the Paterson City Council race, the New Jersey Attorney General filed voting fraud charges Thursday against a city councilman and a council-elect.

    Both Jackson, 48, and Mendez, 45,
    were charged with fraud in casting mail-in votes, unauthorized possession of ballots, tampering with public records and falsifying or tampering with records, according to the statement. Mendez was additionally charged with election fraud and false registration or transfer.
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2020
    #42     Jun 26, 2020
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You really should post the entire article which shows what a complete mess this is and how easy it is to perform mail-in ballot fraud. This situation was only caught because a postal office employee was suspicious. It is interesting to note the statement that this type of Democratic fraud has plagued the city for generations from the Mayor.

    Voting fraud charges filed against Paterson councilman and councilman-elect
    https://www.nj.com/passaic-county/2...paterson-councilman-and-councilman-elect.html

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    In the wake of rampant allegations of voter fraud in the Paterson City Council race, the New Jersey Attorney General filed voting fraud charges Thursday against a city councilman and a council-elect.

    Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal announced voting fraud charges against 1st Ward Councilman Michael Jackson, 3rd Ward Council-Elect Alex Mendez and two other men, weeks after the May 12 local election in which the Passaic County Board of Elections decided not to count 800 city ballots found scattered across different municipalities.

    Both Jackson, 48, and Mendez, 45, were charged with fraud in casting mail-in votes, unauthorized possession of ballots, tampering with public records and falsifying or tampering with records, according to the statement. Mendez was additionally charged with election fraud and false registration or transfer.


    Along with Jackson and Mendez, two Passaic County men, Shelim Khalique, 51, of Wayne, and Abu Razyen, 21, of Prospect Park, were also charged.

    The investigation was sparked by reports that hundreds of mail-in ballots were found in a mailbox in Paterson and in a mailbox in Haledon. The coronavirus pandemic has forced voters to mail in their ballots, as voting sites are no longer open.

    “Today’s charges send a clear message: if you try to tamper with an election in New Jersey, we will find you and we will hold you accountable,” Grewal said in a statement. “We will not allow a small number of criminals to undermine the public’s confidence in our democratic process.”

    Calls to Jackson’s office in City Hall were not immediately returned.

    Much of the allegations stem from voters’ ability to designate a “bearer” of their ballot, who would presumably deliver the ballot for them. The bearer is legally required to sign the ballot before submitting it. According to the charges, all four men either approached and delivered vote-by-mail ballots from other people or possessed the ballots, even though their names were not listed as the bearers.

    According to the charges, Jackson allegedly approached at least one voter in the district where he was running and took their mail-in-ballots for delivery to the county board of elections. The ballots were then taken to the board of elections without anything identifying the bearer, according to the statement. Jackson allegedly had more than three official mail-in-ballots that were not his own or had him listed as an authorized bearer, the statement said.

    The councilman also allegedly received one voter’s mail-in ballot unsealed, without any vote, the statement said. That ballot was also delivered to the board of elections, in a sealed envelope and without any listed bearer.

    Like Jackson, Mendez also stands accused of approaching at least one voter in his district and collecting their ballots, also to be delivered to the board of elections without a bearer listed, the statement said. But Mendez also allegedly acquired and submitted at least one voter registration application for someone he knew was not eligible to vote in the district listed on the application, the statement said.

    The councilman and council-elect were aided by the two Passaic County men, who approached a house to collect ballots and had several mail-in-ballots in their possession, according to the charges.

    Khalique allegedly went to at least one home in the city’s 2nd Ward and collected mail-in ballots from at least one voter, which were then delivered to the board of elections, again without a bearer listed. Rayzen allegedly had more than three mail-in ballots that weren’t his and did also not have a bearer listed, according to the statement.

    Authorities also found a USB drive with a video saved of Rayzen “holding and flipping through a stack” of more than three mail-in ballot outer envelopes that also did not have the bearer filled out, according to the statement. The video allegedly confirms that Rayzen collected the ballots.

    “While it’s gravely disappointing to see another episode of potential corruption in Paterson, I remain hopeful that this is the final chapter in what unfortunately has plagued our city for generations,” Mayor Andre Sayegh said in a statement.


    In addition, Khalique and the bus company he owns, A-1 Elegant Tours, Inc. were charged Thursday with contract fraud and other crimes in a separate investigation, officials announced.

    The charges come after an election fraught with irregularities, including the reported incident where 400 Paterson ballots were found in Haledon, 300 were found in South Paterson and another 100 were found elsewhere.

    “U.S. Postal authorities informed the Passaic County Board of Elections about bundled vote-by-mail ballots within their possession,” Passaic County spokesman Keith Furlong said at the time. “These ballots have been delivered to the county and set aside. Board of Elections Commissioners decided not to count 800-plus of these ballots yesterday.”
     
    #43     Jun 26, 2020
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  4. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    I agree with you, however, how easy it is to perform mail-in ballot fraud is so blatantly obvious it is like saying the sky is blue to anyone that is not a libtard. It is the equivalent of leaving a bank without any security, no cameras, leaving the front door unlocked, and the bank vault wide open. Someone is going to rob it.
     
    #44     Jun 26, 2020
  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    cliffnotes:
    Donnie appoints Trump lackey/donor to be post master
    Post master sabotages timely deliver
    All states except one reject postmarked ballots arriving late
    The above forces in-person voting
    GOP sabotages dem districts by removing polling places
    GOP sabotages dem districts by restricting voting hours in polling places



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-mail-delays-could-help-him-corrupt-election/
    Trump just told us how mail delays could help him corrupt the election

    It’s telling that after President Trump was widely rebuked for suggesting a delay of the election, he wasn’t remotely chastened. Instead, he floated another scenario that could help him accomplish the same goal of avoiding a free and fair election:

    He suggested that only the votes that can be tallied on Election Day should count.

    This may seem like Trumpian bluster. But it’s much more alarming in light of an important new exposé in The Post that reports on big backlogs in mail delivery due to “cost-cutting” by the new head of the U.S. Postal Service — who, by spectacular coincidence, just happens to be a top Trump fundraiser.

    And here’s an additional reason for alarm that needs more attention: The impact of those delays could be dramatically exacerbated by state laws that invalidate ballots that are mailed before Election Day but arrive after Election Day.

    Guess which key presidential swing states have such provisions invalidating ballots that arrive after Election Day?

    All of them do, with the exception of North Carolina.


    “In states where ballots won’t count if they are received after Election Day, the impact could be devastating," Vanita Gupta, the CEO of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, told me, adding that this could “result in potentially hundreds of thousands of ballots getting rejected.”

    “The delays are going to be unpredictable with the cuts being made on the postal service,” Gupta continued. “That impact could turn a swing state completely.”

    The Post exposé reports that Postmaster General Louis DeJoy is implementing changes that have critics charging that mail delays may be “the result of a political effort to undermine absentee voting.”

    These changes, The Post reports, include “prohibiting overtime pay, shutting down sorting machines early and requiring letter carriers to leave mail behind when necessary to avoid extra trips or late delivery on routes.” The result:

    The new policies have resulted in at least a two-day delay in scattered parts of the country, even for express mail, according to multiple postal workers and union leaders. Letter carriers are manually sorting more mail, adding to the delivery time. Bins of mail ready for delivery are sitting in post offices because of scheduling and route changes. And without the ability to work overtime, workers say the logjam is worsening without an end in sight.
    A spokesperson for the USPS is vowing that the changes are temporary and are not intended to delay the transmission of mailed ballots. But delays could nonetheless end up having a massive disenfranchising effect whatever the USPS’s motives, due to the precise confluence of factors coming together right now.

    What’s more, USPS officials can plead innocence all they want, but Trump himself is banking on these delays to save his reelection hopes. Trump is basically telling us so himself.

    Trump said it out loud
    At Thursday’s press briefing, Trump unleashed a stream of absurdities about vote-by-mail, and tellingly said this:

    So many years, I’ve been watching elections. And they say the “projected winner” or the “winner of the election” — I don’t want to see that take place in a week after November 3rd or a month or, frankly, with litigation and everything else that can happen, years. Years. Or you never even know who won the election.
    You’re sending out hundreds of millions of universal, mail-in ballots — hundreds of millions. Where are they going? Who are they being sent to?
    It’s all there. Trump is looking to declare himself winner on Election Day, no matter how many mail ballots remain uncounted. He will say they are fraudulent. And if they tip the result against him, he will say that outcome is rigged, something he has already said publicly is inevitable.

    And so, any such delays — whatever the USPS’s intentions — will be seized on by Trump to delegitimize all of those outstanding ballots.

    Now add into this volatile mix those state laws mentioned above.

    According to the Brennan Center for Justice and the Democratic-run Democracy Docket, swing states that currently do not accept ballots that are postmarked before but arrive after Election Day include: Arizona, Florida, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and Georgia. Those states will decide the election.

    This sheds more light on an important piece by David Wasserman predicting a disaster brewing around absentee ballots. Democrats will use vote-by-mail in far higher numbers than Republicans — due to Trump’s nonstop attacks on it — yet absentee ballots get rejected at disproportionate rates, due to procedural complexities.

    We now see why that might happen in a particularly worrisome way: Because they arrive after Election Day. Indeed, as Paul Waldman pointed out, such invalidation is already happening in primaries.

    A disastrous scenario
    We cannot know in advance what sort of numbers we’re dealing with here, but in very close races, the impact could be serious.

    “This is certainly one significantly disastrous scenario that is looming,” Wendy Weiser, who directs the Brennan Center’s Democracy Program, told me.

    It’s obviously very possible that Biden’s leads could remain large enough to negate such problems. But does anyone think it’s wise — or fair — to have to count on that?

    Indeed, Weiser points out that this is doubly ludicrous amid current conditions — postal cutbacks even as a pandemic drives demand for vote-by-mail much higher.

    “This is particularly unreasonable during a pandemic,” Weiser said. “We’re already experiencing substantial delays in the mail that will make it exceedingly difficult for many to meet those states’ deadlines, through no fault of their own.”

    There is recourse here: Top Democratic lawyer Marc Elias tells me Democrats are litigating against these laws in every swing state, with an eye toward getting ballots counted that are postmarked before but arrive after Election Day. The absurdity of that deadline amid a pandemic and postal cutbacks might boost their legal case.

    So it’s very possible Democrats could succeed in getting ballots counted after Election Day in many swing states. But even if that happens, try to imagine the paranoia Trump will whip up in his supporters about it. Then imagine what sort of civil conflict could erupt if Trump does lose after Election Day in exactly this fashion.
     
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2020
    #45     Aug 3, 2020
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  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I guess Trump became aware that he was scaring all of the old people in Florida who typically would vote for him -- and want to vote by mail this year due to COVID. So suddenly it is fine to vote by mail in Florida but not in the other 49 states.

    In apparent reversal, Trump encourages Floridians to vote by mail
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/04/politics/donald-trump-mail-in-voting-florida/index.html

    After repeatedly seeking to discredit mail-in voting, President Donald Trump on Tuesday claimed Florida's election system is "safe and secure" and encourages Floridians to vote by mail.

    Trump's change in attitude over the swing state's use of mail-in ballots undermines an argument he'd maintained throughout the coronavirus pandemic -- that mail-in ballots pose a distinct election security risk that absentee ballots do not. But elections experts have repeatedly underscored that mail-in voting and absentee voting are essentially the same thing, and that there are strict measures in place to verify the authenticity of all ballots cast by mail.

    "Whether you call it Vote by Mail or Absentee Voting, in Florida the election system is Safe and Secure, Tried and True. Florida's Voting system has been cleaned up (we defeated Democrats attempts at change), so in Florida I encourage all to request a Ballot & Vote by Mail! #MAGA," he tweeted.

    When asked about the reversal later Tuesday afternoon, Trump seemed to imply that Republican-run states with existing mail-in voting programs were up-to-par, but Democratic states establishing or expanding mail-in voting during the pandemic were not

    "So Florida's got a great Republican governor and it had a great Republican governor (before that) ... and over a long period of time they've been able to get the absentee ballots done extremely professionally. Florida's different from other states," Trump said, before criticizing vote-by-mail efforts in Nevada and New York, states led by Democratic governors.

    The President has recently begun laying the groundwork for the doubt and suspicion he could cast on election results if counting mail-in ballots -- which are expected to be more widely used as a result of the pandemic -- ultimately delays the declaration of a winner.

    He also floated delaying the election in a tweet last week that received bipartisan condemnation. The President does not have the power to do this -- Congress does.

    There is no evidence mail-in voting leads to widespread fraud. But the assertion was notable because it is an effort to sow doubt about the legitimacy about the election, now 91 days away.

    "I want to have the election. But I also don't want to have to wait for three months and then find out that the ballots are all missing and the election doesn't mean anything. That's what's going to happen," Trump said at a Thursday news conference, during which he also called vote-by-mail a "disaster" and argued people should have to cast their votes in person.

    Asked about the mixed messages, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said: "Well the President's always said that absentee voting for a reason is different than mass mail-out voting like what Nevada is seeking to do, which leads to mass fraud."

    Again, there's no evidence of widespread fraud with mail-in voting.

    (More at above url)
     
    #46     Aug 5, 2020
  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Strategic (read democratic areas) post office shuttering is in the works.
     
    #47     Aug 5, 2020
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

     
    #48     Aug 5, 2020
  9. smallfil

    smallfil

    Governor Gavin Newsom in California is using the Corona Virus excuse has directed the Secretary of State to mail everyone a ballot. What happens if you do not receive your ballot? Or your ballot ends up not being counted because it was postmarked a day later? Add to that the voting rolls have not been cleaned of dead people and illegals. The Department of Motor Vehicles put everyone on the voters list when not everyone is a US citizen? California issues driver's licenses to all illegals (foreigners) now. So, all illegals (foreigners) will get ballots and be able to easily, cast a vote even if they are not US citizens?
     
    #49     Aug 5, 2020
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So tell us why mail-in voting is perfectly acceptable in Florida but totally corrupt in California according to Donald Trump.
     
    #50     Aug 5, 2020