Trump openly pushing for disenfranchisement

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cuddles, May 11, 2020.

  1. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Romney is becoming quite the troll these days LOL


    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...y-claims-vote-mail-works-very-very-well-utah/



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    Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT), one of the Republican Party’s most vocal critics of President Donald Trump, responded to the president’s criticism of recent vote-by-mail initiatives by Democrat governors, claiming the voting system works seamlessly in his home state.

    “In my state, I’ll bet 90% of us vote by mail. It works very very well and it’s a very Republican state,” Romney told reporters on Capitol Hill when asked about the president’s comments, according to ABC News.

    Earlier Wednesday, President Trump threatened to withhold funding from Michigan over its mailing absentee ballot applications for its upcoming election in August and November.

    “Michigan sends absentee ballots to 7.7 million people ahead of Primaries and the General Election. This was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue Secretary of State. I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this Voter Fraud path!” the president tweeted.

    On Tuesday, Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson announced that all Michigan voters will receive an application to vote by mail, citing possible health concerns stemming from the Chinese coronavirus pandemic.

    “By mailing applications, we have ensured that no Michigander has to choose between their health and their right to vote,” said Benson. “Voting by mail is easy, convenient, safe, and secure, and every voter in Michigan has the right to do it.”

    “We appreciate that some clerks are proactively protecting public health by mailing applications to all their registered voters, and we are fulfilling our responsibility to provide all voters equal access,” the Michigan official added. “We know from the elections that took place this month that during the pandemic Michiganders want to safely vote.”

    The Michigan Department of State’s Bureau of Elections will mail voters a letter with instructions of how to vote by mail and ask applicants to send back a signed application.

    In addition to Michigan, President Trump threatened to pull funding from Nevada over its mail-in voting plan, calling it “illegal.”

    “State of Nevada ‘thinks’ that they can send out illegal vote by mail ballots, creating a great Voter Fraud scenario for the State and the U.S. They can’t! If they do, ‘I think’ I can hold up funds to the State. Sorry, but you must not cheat in elections,” the president wrote.
     
    #11     May 21, 2020
  2. ph1l

    ph1l

    #12     May 21, 2020
  3. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Oh, okay. It is totally fine then.
     
    #13     May 21, 2020
  4. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Big difference between widespread voter fraud and 1 person convicted

    Ill also note voter ID nor mail in ballots were the cause of the fraud
     
    #14     May 21, 2020
  5. US citizens deserve to have their votes count and to know election integrity is being maintained. Anyone, regardless of political affiliation, who is found guilty of voter fraud should be fully prosecuted with an automatic investigation into organized voting fraud activities and the outcome of the potentially affected election reviewed for possible invalidation with another election required to be held.

    Voter ID laws help maintain voter itegrity. On mail in or electronic ballots, there needs to be a proof-positive audit trail confirming the vote is valid. This is fundimental for a Democracy. Now as far as political candidates being a reflection of the desires or true representatives of the people, well that’s another matter.

    Where there is coordinated effort to weaken fundimental and necessary voter protections, that organization should be investigated as a criminal enterprise. There needs to be a entity that has enforcement powers that exceed that power of a political party in voting related matters. Members of this entity should include a large group of people who are not directly connected to a politician or a big donor.

    Let the will of the people determine who gets elected to represent them, bottom line.
     
    #15     May 21, 2020
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  6. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

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    #16     May 21, 2020
  7. Your response does not address the meat of my argument. However, to respond to your point, and since we seem in agreement, at least on the surface, would sort of systen would you propose to address the potential disenfranchisement of those voters who do not live in big cities obtaining representation at the executive level?

    The Forefathers of the United States realized this was a issue early on and came up with the idea of the Electoral College. One might look at this idea as along the lines of having a Senate. Do you offer a better solution than what already is in place, or do you feel farmers and those people who live in the rust belt shouldn’t ever be represented at the Executive level?
     
    #17     May 21, 2020
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  8. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    The Electoral College was more about slavery than potential disenfranchisement of voters who do not live in big cities.
     
    #18     May 21, 2020
  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


     
    #19     May 21, 2020
  10. You have not addressed how those who live in the Farm and Rust Belts, which represent the majority of land ownership in the United States would be able to receive representation at the Executive level.

    So far, you have responded with deflections twice. As a reminder, in my first post, an area of concern was little to no voter validation in our current election process and the need for it. As we have seen, there is an example of someone who committed election fraud. By logical extension, if our system is under attack, we should defend against that attack. It is not conceivable to you that an entity who gains political power by violating election law is the worst sort of politician? Really, by definition, an enemy of the people? What should we call those people who knowingly (Or unknowingly) support that entity by denying common sense protections of our elections?

    Again, a corrupt entity would certainly attempt to circumvent and campaign against election protections, would it not?

    Please answer the above question directly, without a deflection this time, please.
     
    #20     May 21, 2020