Here's an honest question. Lets go back in time, say early February (the first U.S. case was Jan. 21). What would have happened had Trump ordered masks, social distancing, restaurants/airplanes/gyms/etc at 50% capacity.... and because of his actions (with the luxury of hindsight)... no one died? Or very few did. We would have never known just how bad it could have become. Had he taken those actions, what would the court of public opinion leveled on him? I mean Biden called him xenophobic because he banned China. Imagine what would have happened if he shut everything down from the start. He would have been seen as a nut. Right? We didn't have a crystal ball. As far as we knew, it was in fact similiar to the flu. But even if he said "people are dying in China and I have to do this".... he would have been skewered by "both sides". In a way, he was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. Its easy to look back with 100% clarity and level judgement as a Monday morning QB. That said... "not wanting to incite a panic".... it sure didn't stop him with regards to the infamous caravans. So there's that. But still.... had he shut everything down and nipped it in the bud early on, we'd have never known and I'm 100% sure the Dems would have had a field day calling him a germaphobe that ruined the economy for the small business owners and the average working person. ....just sayin'. Am I wrong here?
When you just lie, you can say you were right about everything. Vanny launched in with Biden called him xenophobic because of the travel ban, Biden called him xenophobic because he was putting everything in xenophobic terms. The travel ban was at the same time, after, European countries and other Asian countries. Can you ever truly ask for forgiveness for these lies you support? You are not sorry for it, you seem to enjoy it. I can't recall, do you have to be actually sorry or just sorry when you see the punishment awaiting you Christian?
VZ’s post concerns the Dem’s rabid hatred of everything Trump and their damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t approach. On that point, he’s spot on. You should ask the man in the mirror about believing and perpetuating lies.
Vanz likes excusing all of Trump's behaviors while claiming objectivity. It's why he's on ignore. Don't blame push back from the mainstream on Trump's lack of tact rooted in racism. Quite the "deal maker" that guy.
I don't lie though, not like you. Are you arguing your mind is too feeble to differentiate what you feel from what happened so you can't be held to account? Not sure that will fly. Maybe you are dumb enough.. Could be.
Ya know I accept you for what you're about, more than most here tbh.... but the ignore thing... its easy to check..... I'm surprised you don't already know this for as long as you've been here bro. You know damn well you read every word I write. There's no shame there.,I'd do the same thing.
The U.S. has a history with Pandemics just like other countries. Health Officials could have just used a similar like response at prior Pandemics. Such as using contact tracing / tracking, quarantine the infected individuals and those they came in contact with and so on. I know it sounds simple but many countries do such. For example, in 2016 I became ill with a deadly infection that went sepsis while I was visiting my other home in France. They actually did contact tracing while I was in a coma via interviewing my friends and family in France and Québec, Canada. My kids (last to see me) had already arrived back in Québec with their grandmother (from the U.S.). All were quarantine too until health officials in France could identify the source that caused the type of pneumonia strain. It took them about 3 days to identify the source and another 2 or 3 days before other relatives were allowed to visit me while I was in the coma and on life support. My point, you don't need to shut down everything, no lockdown of the economy. Instead, you isolate the infected individuals, do contact tracing and then determine what to do next. In contrast, had you allowed thousands of individuals to enter the U.S. from other cities of China except for Wuhan and then about 15 days later you then give China a full travel Ban along with the first hospitalized cased in Jan 21st without any contact tracing, no quarantine of the relatives of the patient that had contact with the patient... That's like something out of a sci-fi movie in which a nursing home, another nursing home (same employee with a 2nd job), other elderly patients, then town, then state and then country... Spreads very fast from a single person and now you're trying to deal with thousands of people that arrived into the U.S. from the same location...you're going to have a big problem and you need to get your resources together as quick as possible (not give away a lot of it to another country), use your Pandemic plan and anything else. February 7th he knows its airborne, more deadly than a strenuous Flu. Now imagine if the hospital officials had a CEO that decided to not warn other doctors / nurses / my family / my friend and so on that I was highly contagious. Worst, imagine that CEO not ensuring those saving my life had proper PPE, held a fundraiser at the hospital and invited my mom / children to attend and interact with other people without notifying them that my infection was airborne and they needed to be tested. Worst, what if my mom, elders, military buddies became ill from not wearing PPE when they visited me in the hospital and a few of them had died ? My point to your question...the President took an oath to protect the American people and his rhetoric that attacked / laughed at face mask wearers, stating wearing a mask is not patriotic, calling Covid-19 a hoax by the Democrats and having rallies was the real him while pretending his behaviour was to calm the American people. He created a health crisis and the an economic crisis via his lockdown...he was always two steps behind the fight against Covid-19 and he now has to deal with it now that everything is out in the open. Trump created this mess...its on his watch. He made that bed and now must sleep in it in November. Lets be more frank. The first responders were not able to do their job and caught off guard by Trump. He's a President that's incapable of doing his job. In the military, we call that a Dereliction of Duty (United States Code Title 10, Section 892, Article 92) that results in a court martial and if someone had died because of that dereliction...prison sentence although in other countries you would be executed or poisoned. Reality, he was more concerned about the stock market and his relationship with China's leader before the latter was eventually thrown underneath the bus by Trump. Now he refers to China as a threat to American politics (not Russia) when in reality...its Trump that's the threat. I will give him one particular credit...he manage to get many research labs working on therapeutics and a possible vaccine in record time. Hopefully they'll find a vaccine before spring of 2021 although we now have at least one FDA approved therapeutics....Remdesivir but Convalescent Plasma. Yet, his attempt to bully / strong arm the FDA / CDC for political purposes has forced many drug companies / research lab to ban together to only release a vaccine that's safe and has gone through the proper safety measures. Unfortunately, that has created more distrust and now we have about 2/3 of the American people saying they will not be the Canaries in the Coal Mine via taking a vaccine. That's a growing problem for Trump going into the November elections because a large % of the anti-vaccine folks are Republicans. Thus, its a contradiction for them because Trump made the health crisis of Covid-19 a political thing. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/27/anti-vaccine-republican-mainstream-1344955 Hopefully all this craziness will be over in November regardless what government is in place. wrbtrader
it was not up to Trump.... THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT! It was up to the CDC and his task force he bragged about setting up but then undermined and gave no authority. That is the problem you guys miss...this was a medical/health decision and Trump should have stepped aside and let Fauci, Birx, CDC, HHS etc... handle the decision. If it was shut down becuase THEY said so, everyone would have followed and praised the right people. Trumpp hates when others take or get credit which is why he shut down the task force briefings and FAUCI. Leadership was to put together the right people and LISTEN THE FUCK TO THEM not stand up like an assclown and talk about bleach and UV lights and say stupid shit like it will all go away and cases are dropping