Trump is terrified of the investigation into his relationship with Russia — and he should be

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tony Stark, Jun 26, 2017.


  1. In regard to the "losing support" let's take a minute to recall the five special elections since the presidential election that the lefty media all strongly touted as being "referendums on Trump." Howd all that go? Oh, I see. 0-5 for the demotards. Suddenly those elections were just little blips that really didn't say anything about anything. Funny how that goes.


    Five presidents in history have lost the popular vote and still become president. Get over it. It gives Hillary more time to sit around in her nighty in Chappaqua all day watching the Price is Right. Same thing she did during the campaign instead of going to Wisconsin and Michigan to shake hands with deplorables. Of course, I realize that she is older and can't keep up with the young folks, like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders- plus as she told you, she is a woman and it is her turn and you owe her so she should not have to be out there campaigning like some kind of commoner.
     
    #41     Jun 26, 2017
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  2. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Lets take a look at those special elections.They were all reliably safe gop gerrymandered districts that the gop won by 16-31 points in November.Less than a year later they were won by 7 points or less.Winning a race by 4-7 points that you won by 16-31 points months ago is losing support.Trumps approval and favorbilty ratings has dropped since November as well.
     
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    #42     Jun 26, 2017
  3. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    I agree we had a bad candidate who ran a horrible campaign.
     
    #43     Jun 26, 2017
  4. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spvr6n

    Julian Assange:

    Why the Democratic party is doomed:

    1. The Democratic establishment has vortexed the party's narrative energy into hysteria about Russia (a state with a lower GDP than South Korea). It is starkly obvious that were it not for this hysteria insurgent narratives of the type promoted by Bernie Sanders would rapidly dominate the party's base and its relationship with the public. Without the "We didn't lose--Russia won" narrative the party's elite and those who exist under its patronage would be purged for being electorally incompetent and ideologically passé. The collapse of the Democratic vote over the last eight years is at every level, city, state, Congressional and presidential. It corresponds to the domination of Democratic decision making structures by a professional, educated, urban service class and to the shocking decline in health and longevity of white males, who together with their wives, daughters, mothers, etc. comprise 63% of the US population (2010 census). Unlike other industrialized countries US male real wages (all ethnic groups combined) have not increased since 1973. In trying to stimulate engagement of non-whites and women Democrats have aggressively promoted identity politics. This short-term tactic has led to the inevitable strategic catastrophe of the white and male super majorities responding by seeing themselves as an unserviced political identity group. Consequently in response to sotto-voce suggestions that Trump would service this group 53% of all men voted for Trump, 53% of white women and 63% of white men (PEW Research).

    2. The Trump-Russia collusion narrative is a political dead end. Despite vast resources, enormous incentives and a year of investigation, Democratic senators who have seen the classified intelligence at the CIA such as Senator Feinstein (as recently as March) are forced to admit that there is no evidence of collusion []. Without collusion, we are left with the Democratic establishment blaming the public for being repelled by the words of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party establishment. Is it a problem that the public discovered what Hillary Clinton said to Goldman Sachs and what party elites said about fixing the DNC primaries against Bernie Sanders? A party elite that maintains that it is the "crime of the century" for the public and their membership to discover how they behave and what they believe invites scorn.

    3. The Democrat establishment needs the support of the security sector and media barons to push this diversionary conspiracy agenda, so they ingratiate themselves with these two classes leading to further perceptions that the Democrats act on behalf of an entrenched power elite. Eventually, Trump or Pence will 'merge' with the security state leaving Democrats in a vulnerable position having talked up two deeply unaccountable traditionally Republican-aligned organizations, in particular, the CIA and the FBI, who will be turned against them. Other than domestic diversion and geopolitical destabilization the primary result of the Russian narrative is increased influence and funding for the security sector which is primarily GOP owned or aligned.

    4. The twin result is to place the primary self-interest concerns of most Americans, class competition, freedom from crime and ill health and the empowerment of their children, into the shadows and project the Democrats as close to DC and media elites. This has further cemented Trump's anti-establishment positioning and fettered attacks on Trump's run away embrace of robber barons, dictators and gravitas-free buffoons like the CIA's Mike Pompeo.

    5. GOP/Trump has open goals everywhere: broken promises, inequality, economy, healthcare, militarization, Goldman Sachs, Saudi Arabia & cronyism, but the Democrat establishment can't kick these goals since the Russian collusion narrative has consumed all its energy and it is entangled with many of the same groups behind Trump's policies.

    6. The Democratic base should move to start a new party since the party elite shows no signs that they will give up power. This can be done quickly and cheaply as a result of the internet and databases of peoples' political preferences. This reality is proven in practice with the rapid construction of the Macron, Sanders and Trump campaigns from nothing. The existing Democratic party may well have negative reputational capital, stimulating a Macron-style clean slate approach. Regardless, in the face of such a threat, the Democratic establishment will either concede control or, as in the case of Macron, be eliminated by the new structure.
     
    #44     Jun 26, 2017
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  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Yet the people voted for the democrat in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections.
     
    #45     Jun 26, 2017
  6. Wallet

    Wallet

    You trade?

    Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
     
    #46     Jun 26, 2017
  7. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Oh....so there was a Democratic President elected to office in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections?

    We are witnessing the implosion of the DNC and the DNC can thank the Donald for it.
     
    #47     Jun 26, 2017

  8. The gop won many of the districts by hugely bigger margins- think Georgia- in the past because there had been incumbants in those positions- think Tom Price- and no one even bothered to put up an opponent before. Also Hollywood suddenly descended on those campaigns and more money came from out of state than from within. As if Hollywood types actually care about anyone on Montana, Georgia, or North Carolina. Hint, they don't. They just use the voters there to stick a thumb in Trump's eye if they can.

    Also in regard to this bit about Trump and the low approval rating that is a favorite drum to beat, let's get real, that scenario was set in motion long ago. Both Trump and Benghazi Killary had the lowest favorability rating of any presidential candidate where records or research exists. I have absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that Hillary's approval would be higher or that there would be fewer calls for impeachment or more investigations. It is just the pickle the country is in and people needed to make a choice.

    I sure hope she has learned her lesson and smartens up by the time she runs again in 2020. After all, we owe her. Why I don't know, but you can be sure that she will remind us again, and again, and again, ad nauseum.
     
    #48     Jun 26, 2017
  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    4 of the last 7,which is indeed an EC problem for democrats but hardy doom for the democrat party

    We are witnessing the implosion of the RNC and the RNC can thank the Donald for it.
     
    #49     Jun 26, 2017
  10. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    I'd take 4 out of 7 or 6 out of 7 odds than the opposite on a trade.
     
    #50     Jun 26, 2017