Trump Is Right to Battle China on Trade, But Now Comes the Hard Part

Discussion in 'Economics' started by bone, May 14, 2019.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Australian exports to China is approx 9% of GDP.
    Ores slag and ash
    Mineral fuels, oils, distillation products
    Wool, animal hair, horsehair yarn and fabrics
    Cereals
    Wood and articles of wood, wood charcoal
    Meat
    Copper
    Salt, sulphur, earth, stone, plaster, lime and cement
    Pearls, precious stones, metals, coins
     
    #71     May 17, 2019
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  2. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    There isn't a year by year breakdown here but the BLS shows percentage-wise of the economy (which is far more important than pure number of jobs) in 1915 manufacturing represented 32.4% of the economy and in 2015 it was 8.7% The drop didn't happen overnight!!!

    https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2016/employment-by-industry-1910-and-2015.htm

    And here is a chart showing manufacturing employment for the last 10 years .... going up:

    https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001

    Choose who you believe. tRump BS or his own BLS dept.
     
    #72     May 18, 2019
  3. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Obviously not all jobs would be shifted. Tariffs are targeted so only jobs in those categories would be looked at.
     
    #73     May 18, 2019
  4. A rising tide raises all ships and like the Germans have done China can increase the market for its goods in the more than 95% of consumers outside the US.

    All Trump is doing is accelerating them. But her won't be there to pay the cost.
     
    #74     May 18, 2019
  5. bone

    bone


    MIT economist David Autor calculated that Chinese competition cost the U.S. 2.4 million manufacturing jobs between 1999 and 2011.

    Clinton administration senior trade negotiators now believe that China's WTO membership only helped big businesses, not US workers. It's well-reported.
     
    #75     May 18, 2019
  6. bone

    bone

    Google the WTO complaint the EU filed in 2018 against China and expanded in December. The US isn’t the only trading partner with serious concerns about unfair Chinese trade practices and IP theft.
     
    #76     May 18, 2019
  7. Of course but they have the power to make consumers for their products as Germany and the US has done. The Marshall plan itself was essential to the USA's self interest. The USA got rich after the war but only by having the customers. Europe is pretty soft and being pushed away from the US so they will keep buying. There billions in non-aligned countries who would quite like a Huawei P30 and with a little help can have one. The US is important because of the voracious disposable culture, a small number of wasteful obsessive consumers. China can change the destiny for billions by exporting universities as well.
     
    #77     May 18, 2019
  8. bone

    bone

    There are 363,341 Chinese students enrolled in US Universities at present.
     
    #78     May 18, 2019
  9. That is true I am sure. US universities will be 2nd rung within 20 years or less, that is essential to China's plan.
     
    #79     May 18, 2019
  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Which is a good thing. Many will stay after graduation. Many will return home. Competition is guuuuud!

    So which is it. Paranoid they are stealing our intellectual property over there or paranoid they are stealing our "intellectual property" here?
     
    #80     May 18, 2019