Trump Is Right About Birth Citizenship

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AAAintheBeltway, Aug 19, 2015.

  1. piezoe

    piezoe

    # 2 is now pretty much settled since Heller, and It would take both the ravishes of time and an entirely new Court for it to come up again. But Heller did not rule out regulation nor limitations. There is no reason for the 14th to be adjudicated, not yet anyway.

    I'm OK with eliminating income taxes, I don't like paying them either. I'm not OK with eliminating government. I just want to get rid of the parts of it that I personally don't like, and I don't want to pay for it.
     
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  2. loyek590

    loyek590

    oh sorry, I didn't realize you were a libertarian
     
    #162     Aug 26, 2015
  3. piezoe

    piezoe

    You and I are the only true Libertarians here, and I am not so sure about you.:D
     
    #163     Aug 26, 2015
  4. loyek590

    loyek590

    I get that a lot. I'm from the pro food stamp wing of the party. As far as I know there is only one of us.
     
    #164     Aug 26, 2015
  5. loyek590

    loyek590

    media, The clip of Trump throwing him out was all over all the networks, but after things calmed down, Trump invited him back in to ask a question when he was called on and it was his turn. Immigration? Press conference? With Trump it's all the same. Wait in line until you are called upon to serve.
     
    #166     Aug 26, 2015
  6. fhl

    fhl

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    #167     Aug 26, 2015
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  7. jem

    jem

    How can a libertarian who believes in liberty ever support Obamacare forcing individuals to pay jacked up rates for healthcare? That is anathema to one who believes in liberty. what is the next alter in which the liberty of the individual will be sacrificed for the cronies. (as a side note Roberts tortured logic showed you why income taxes and true liberty do not mix.)

    And a libertarian would never support what the IRS did when it singled out conservatives and those who supported Isreal.

    If you wish to be to be a libertarian -- support freedom over more Federal Govt power. Support states rights.
    Support liberty.

    If you find yourself disagreeing with Ron or Rand Paul on the Federal Reserve or taxes or other matters more than once or twice you are not a libertarian.

    For instance I was once a more interventionist in my thinking. I saw that Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan were virtually the opposite.

    I changed my position... in part because I realized in the real world our leaders can't be trusted to do intervention correctly anyway. it was an easy change.

    https://www.lp.org/platform

    We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.

    We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.

    Governments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent.

    We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual: namely, (1) the right to life -- accordingly we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against others; (2) the right to liberty of speech and action -- accordingly we oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and press, as well as government censorship in any form; and (3) the right to property -- accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation.

    Since governments, when instituted, must not violate individual rights, we oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals. People should not be forced to sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others. They should be left free by government to deal with one another as free traders; and the resultant economic system, the only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market.
     
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    #168     Aug 26, 2015
  8. goes to his unassailable arrogance..you just got a glimpse. ya there's a guy that's open to considering other POV. i want HIM for pres:D
     
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  9. loyek590

    loyek590

    environmentalists/libertarians same thing

    environmentalist: Do what is good for the earth and everything will take care of itself

    libertarian: Do what is good for the individual and everything will take care of itself

    capitalist: Do what is good for business and everything will take care of itself

    and then those other guys: Do what is good for the government and we will take care of everything
     
    #170     Aug 26, 2015