Trump Is Disqualified From the 2024 Ballot

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Dec 19, 2023.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I would suggest that you read the actual Colorado Supreme Court decision which can be found as a PDF at this article link.

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...t-12-19-23/h_852c7b7ac92f2f01f6bf1e43a08b350e
     
    #31     Dec 20, 2023
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Are you claiming that none of his followers have been convicted of seditious conspiracy? BTW this is the federal "insurrection" charge in the U.S.

    Hint: Numerous MAGA clowns have already been convicted of Seditious Conspiracy. We have two threads full of them.

    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/january-6th-its-seditious-conspiracy-charge-time.364139/

    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...smayed-that-actions-have-consequences.354555/
     
    #32     Dec 20, 2023
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  3. Arnie

    Arnie

    You are without a doubt the most obtuse person on this site. Seditious conspiracy is a violation of the US Criminal Code, not the 14th Amendment.
    Again, no one, not Trump and none of the Jan 6 rioters have been convicted or charged with insurrection.
     
    #33     Dec 20, 2023
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  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    There is no federal charge for "insurrection". The equivalent federal charge is Seditious Conspiracy -- which is clearly defined in the criminal code.

    The 14th Amendment Section 3 is not something an individual gets charged under a criminal code -- it defines the action that they are not allowed to run for office if they are found to be an insurrectionist. Insurrectionists under federal criminal code are charged with Seditious Conspiracy.

    I certainly hope this clears up the reality for you.
     
    #34     Dec 20, 2023
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  5. piezoe

    piezoe

    States law must follow the Constitution. Colorado's high court agreed with the lower court that Trump had participated in an insurrection but disagreed with the lower court on the issue of whether Trump is an "Officer". The higher court said Trump is an "Officer" and therefore subject to the 14th Amendment. This together makes the issue one of Constitutional law rather than of State law; thus the U.S. Supreme Court will have the last word. If the Supreme Court upholds the Colorado decision then Trump is Constitutionally barred from running in every state, as all U.S. States must obey the Constitution (except when its ignored and no one does anything about it). The Federal Constitution leaves remedies for unconstitutional acts up to the Courts and the legislature. In cases of apparent Constitutional Law breaking, the courts won't act on their own, and the legislature may be unable to act because it can be immobilized or otherwise made ineffective by its own rules. Thus we have many examples of the Constitution being ignored. It seems this almost always causes unforeseen repercussions. The present repercussion to be expected, if the Federal High Court reads the Constitution differently than the Colorado High Court, could be that the United States ceases to be a democracy. (Between Gerrymandering in the States and The Electoral College at the Federal level, It's not much of one anyway!)

    I think the Trump appeal of the Colorado Decision has the makings of the most momentous Court decision in the history of the United States, eclipsing Dred Scott, Dobbs, Marbury vs. Madison, Citizens United, and Gore vs Bush, etc. If it goes one way it may result in the end of the U.S. experiment in democracy, just as Franklin predicted would eventually happen; if it goes the other way, a former President of the United States may do significant time in a Georgia Prison, and U.S. democracy, such as it is, will live for another day.
     
    #35     Dec 20, 2023
  6. piezoe

    piezoe

    There is not. Read the Smith Indictment to see what the specific charges are. Trump is not being charged with Insurrection in the D.C. case being brought by Smith.

    2 felony counts (including one conspiracy count) of obstructing an official proceeding under 18 U.S.C. § 1512

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    1 felony count of conspiracy to defraud the United States under 18 U.S.C. § 371

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    1 felony count of conspiracy against rights under 18 U.S.C. § 241
     
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    #36     Dec 20, 2023
  7. elderado

    elderado

    You are so fucking stupid you probably think what you masturbate to every night is the Actual Pee Pee Tape. Clown.
     
    #37     Dec 20, 2023
  8. Okay, I'll play. "What is a conniption?" for 200 points.
     
    #38     Dec 20, 2023
  9. piezoe

    piezoe

    Read the 14 Amendment. No mention of conviction!
     
    #39     Dec 20, 2023
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    In fact the other candidates rejected from running for office on the basis of the 14th Amendment Section 3 in the post-Reconstruction era were all dismissed from running for office on the basis of being socialists or communists. These candidates had no criminal convictions. However they were only running for local or state offices.
     
    #40     Dec 20, 2023
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